From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
alexn@dsv.su.se, greg@kroah.com, gud@eth.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
jgarzik@pobox.com, cramerj@intel.com,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci shutdown ability
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:23:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050426202302.GC20109@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050426175041.GB23205@redhat.com>
Hi!
> > Well, you can do "half suspend to ram; change your frequency; half
> > resume" today, and it should work, but I do not think you'll like the
> > speed.
>
> Indeed. With people running things like cpuspeed daemons to dynamically
> scale speed, this is going to be really painful.
> Of course, any operation where we have to quiesce DMA is going to mean
> we're increasing latency around the scaling operation, but we don't
> have to go through all the hoops that are necessary when suspending.
> Thankfully some of the more recent implementations of speed/voltage
> scaling don't have this requirement.
Good, because some devices really need DMA. (Won't audio skip, and USB
break when you disable DMA? I do not see how cpufreq doing DMA disable
can be usefull.)
> > In a ideal world, calling device_suspend(PMSG_FREEZE) gets you exactly
> > that, and we'll do our best to make it fast enough.
> >
> > OTOH it *needs* to switch consoles to text one (because X may be
> > running DMA, right?); I do not think you'll like that one.
>
> That would be insane, and make cpufreq totally useless for anyone
> running X, so no. This is one of the reasons the kernel needs to
> arbitrate DMA on behalf of X. It just needs someone to do the work.
Yes... But it also looks like a lot of work :-(.
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-04-26 20:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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[not found] ` <SVLXCHCON1syWVLEFN00000099e@SVLXCHCON1.enterprise.veritas.com>
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2005-04-25 19:06 ` [PATCH] PCI: Add pci shutdown ability Greg KH
2005-04-25 19:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-25 20:07 ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 20:11 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 19:45 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-25 20:12 ` Greg KH
2005-04-26 3:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-25 20:14 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-25 20:52 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-25 21:12 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 15:49 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 16:04 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 16:37 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 17:14 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 17:41 ` Grant Grundler
2005-05-11 5:33 ` Vivek Goyal
2005-05-11 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-25 21:58 ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:13 ` Dave Jones
2005-04-25 23:23 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-26 4:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 6:23 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-26 7:14 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2005-04-26 9:16 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 9:41 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 3:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 15:14 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 9:39 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 17:50 ` Dave Jones
2005-04-26 20:23 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-04-26 3:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 15:11 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 16:01 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-26 15:41 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 16:07 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-26 16:19 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 17:12 ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 17:19 ` Lee Revell
2005-04-25 20:08 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 20:19 ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 20:24 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 20:42 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 20:55 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 21:06 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 4:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 16:12 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 13:44 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2005-04-26 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 21:00 ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 21:13 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 3:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 10:11 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 21:13 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2005-04-26 3:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 6:33 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-26 6:44 ` Greg KH
2005-05-04 7:02 [PATCH] PCI: fix up word-aligned 16-bit PCI config access through sysfs Greg KH
2005-05-04 7:02 ` [PATCH] PCI: Add pci shutdown ability Greg KH
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