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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	alexn@dsv.su.se, greg@kroah.com, gud@eth.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	jgarzik@pobox.com, cramerj@intel.com,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci shutdown ability
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:23:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050426202302.GC20109@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050426175041.GB23205@redhat.com>

Hi!

>  > Well, you can do "half suspend to ram; change your frequency; half
>  > resume" today, and it should work, but I do not think you'll like the
>  > speed.
> 
> Indeed. With people running things like cpuspeed daemons to dynamically
> scale speed, this is going to be really painful.
> Of course, any operation where we have to quiesce DMA is going to mean
> we're increasing latency around the scaling operation, but we don't
> have to go through all the hoops that are necessary when suspending.

> Thankfully some of the more recent implementations of speed/voltage
> scaling don't have this requirement.

Good, because some devices really need DMA. (Won't audio skip, and USB
break when you disable DMA? I do not see how cpufreq doing DMA disable
can be usefull.)

>  > In a ideal world, calling device_suspend(PMSG_FREEZE) gets you exactly
>  > that, and we'll do our best to make it fast enough.
>  > 
>  > OTOH it *needs* to switch consoles to text one (because X may be
>  > running DMA, right?); I do not think you'll like that one.
> 
> That would be insane, and make cpufreq totally useless for anyone
> running X, so no.   This is one of the reasons the kernel needs to
> arbitrate DMA on behalf of X.  It just needs someone to do the work.

Yes... But it also looks like a lot of work :-(.
								Pavel
-- 
Boycott Kodak -- for their patent abuse against Java.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-26 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0504251128070.5751-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
     [not found] ` <SVLXCHCON1syWVLEFN00000099e@SVLXCHCON1.enterprise.veritas.com>
     [not found]   ` <20050425182951.GA23209@kroah.com>
     [not found]     ` <20050425185113.GC23209@kroah.com>
2005-04-25 19:06       ` [PATCH] PCI: Add pci shutdown ability Greg KH
2005-04-25 19:23         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-04-25 20:07           ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 20:11           ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 19:45         ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-25 20:12           ` Greg KH
2005-04-26  3:59             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-25 20:14           ` Alan Stern
2005-04-25 20:52             ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-25 21:12               ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 15:49                 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 16:04                   ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 16:37                     ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 17:14                       ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 17:41                         ` Grant Grundler
2005-05-11  5:33                 ` Vivek Goyal
2005-05-11 14:38                   ` Alan Stern
2005-04-25 21:58             ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-25 22:13               ` Dave Jones
2005-04-25 23:23                 ` Adam Belay
2005-04-26  4:32                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26  6:23                     ` Adam Belay
2005-04-26  7:14                       ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2005-04-26  9:16                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26  9:41                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26  3:52                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 15:14                   ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26  9:39                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 17:50                   ` Dave Jones
2005-04-26 20:23                     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-04-26  3:45               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 15:11               ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 16:01                 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-04-26 15:41             ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 16:07               ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-26 16:19                 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 17:12                   ` Alan Stern
2005-04-26 17:19                     ` Lee Revell
2005-04-25 20:08         ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 20:19           ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 20:24             ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 20:42         ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 20:55           ` Adam Belay
2005-04-25 21:06             ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26  4:30               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 16:12                 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-26 13:44               ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2005-04-26 21:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 21:00           ` Greg KH
2005-04-25 21:13             ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26  3:41             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26 10:11               ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 21:13           ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2005-04-26  3:39           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-04-26  6:33             ` Adam Belay
2005-04-26  6:44               ` Greg KH
2005-05-04  7:02 [PATCH] PCI: fix up word-aligned 16-bit PCI config access through sysfs Greg KH
2005-05-04  7:02 ` [PATCH] PCI: Add pci shutdown ability Greg KH

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