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From: "Jim Crilly" <jim@why.dont.jablowme.net>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: toon@hout.vanvergehaald.nl, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, ltd@cisco.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kraxel@suse.de,
	dtor_core@ameritech.net, 7eggert@gmx.de
Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:29:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050601172900.GC14299@voodoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <429DE874.nail7BFM1RBO2@burner>

On 06/01/05 06:55:16PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> "Jim Crilly" <jim@why.dont.jablowme.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Just because it's old, that doesn't mean it's good. The kernel using the
> 
> Just because it is old, it does not mean that it is bad....

Agreed and AFAIK most unix users prefer to use filenames to access their
devices. Why bother populating /dev at all if half if your apps require
random ID numbers to use them?

> > numbers internally makes sense, but requiring them for userspace seems
> > stupid. All you should do is open the appropriate device node and let the
> > kernel figure out which SCSI ID to send the commands to. Every other tool
> > I've ever seen uses device nodes, why should cdrecord be different? All it
> > does is make cdrecord more difficult to use.
> 
> Note that Linux did not have a usable /dev/whatever based interface 10 years ago.
> Also note that cdda2wav distinguishes between "OS native Audio ioctl calls" and
> generic SCSI from checking the dev= parameter. For this reason using 
> /dev/whateter is just wrong. Take it this way or you are a victim of you own 
> decision to ignore the documentation of a program.

I don't use cdda2wav so I can't comment, but every other ripping tool that
I've used on Linux has had no problem using the /dev/whatever interface, so
once again it appears that your tool is the blacksheep for no good reason.

> 
> Jörg
>

Jim.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-01 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30  9:19 OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-30  9:34 ` Toon van der Pas
2005-05-30 12:26   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 14:14     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-31 11:03       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31  7:29         ` Terry Vernon
2005-05-31 11:46         ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-31 16:59         ` Gerd Knorr
2005-05-31 19:05           ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-31 19:56             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:20                 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2005-06-01 16:55                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01  2:23             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-03 13:29                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-01 16:28               ` Oliver Neukum
2005-06-01 15:41             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:11           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:42             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 16:55               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Jim Crilly [this message]
2005-06-01 17:50                   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:59                     ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-02  1:14                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-02  1:46                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-02  1:23                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-03 19:51                     ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-01 22:06                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 15:57             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-31 17:22         ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-31 19:28           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-31 20:54             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 15:53             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:05               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-06-01 17:03                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:28                   ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-02  2:08                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-01 17:35                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-02 10:34                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-01 16:21               ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:28           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:48             ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-30 13:38   ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-30  9:46 ` Joerg Schilling
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-30 22:00 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-31 11:17 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found] <48cRq-7TH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <48cRq-7TH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <48cRq-7TH-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <48dDM-5I-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <48wdp-7lh-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-26 21:53         ` Bodo Eggert
2005-05-26 23:12           ` Lee Revell
     [not found] <4847F-8q-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <E1Db3zm-0004vF-9j@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-25 22:46   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:31     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 19:20       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-26 21:26         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 23:30           ` Matthias Andree
2005-05-27  9:39       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-27 11:09         ` Wakko Warner
2005-05-27 14:21         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30  9:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 10:47             ` Markus Plail
2005-05-30 22:27             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 23:20               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-05-30 23:35               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-31 12:51                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31 12:47               ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505260205390.19389@be1.lrz>
2005-05-27 10:03       ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505271633200.3055@be1.lrz>
2005-05-30  9:36           ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505301326450.2363@be1.lrz>
2005-05-31 10:57               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 13:15 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:12 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 10:15   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26 11:42     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-25 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26  4:11 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-26  7:14   ` Markus Plail

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