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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bhuey@lnxw.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	karim@opersys.com, mingo@elte.hu, pmarques@grupopie.com,
	bruce@andrew.cmu.edu, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ak@muc.de,
	sdietrich@mvista.com, dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:06:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050610210614.GD6564@g5.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1118436338.6423.48.camel@mindpipe>

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:45:38PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> AFAICT even RTAI would be affected, because X lets userspace drivers
> talk directly to the hardware including wedging the PCI bus.

Yes, I made the usb example exactly to show how latency bugs can be
longstanding in the kernel too without requiring X or hardware bugs
(this usb thing breaks kernel latency for years and yet nobody fixed it
simply because it just works fine in practice, I noticed because
apparently my PIT or tsc goes out of sync over time, and in turn my
system time was going into the future pretty quick with HZ=1000, or I
would have never noticed, of course I'm compiling the kernel with HZ=100
on that system to work around it). Those latency issues can showup in
random drivers all the time, and this one was of an extreme magnitude in
the millisecond range. The smaller the magnitude of the latency impact,
the more frequently you should find it in drivers.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08  2:26 Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08  3:00 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-08 14:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 16:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-09  2:25   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 11:20   ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-08 18:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-08 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 22:25     ` Eric Piel
2005-06-10 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:23         ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  0:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:38             ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:47               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-06-09 23:50   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10  2:59     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 15:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 17:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 19:39           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 19:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-10 22:37               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:43                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:52                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:00                   ` Flames go here (was Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread) Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:08                   ` Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11  1:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:50                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11  2:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 21:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 23:48                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 17:06                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 21:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13  1:35                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 14:40                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 19:49                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:03                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 20:21                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:26                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:23                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 20:28                                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 22:00                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:11                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:18                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:28                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:29                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:55                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  1:13                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:07                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  2:35                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:37                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  3:24                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14 16:41                                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 19:20                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-14 19:35                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14 21:29                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2005-06-14 20:19                                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14  7:00                                               ` Eugeny S. Mints
2005-06-14 16:09                                               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 16:47                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-13 20:38                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:10                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:31                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:58                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:34                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 21:02                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-12 17:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 18:43                               ` Lee Revell
2005-06-12 19:12                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-11  5:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 17:24                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 20:22           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 20:45           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:06             ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-06-10 22:19               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:37                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:49                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 23:01                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:05                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:15                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:26               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:36                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-10 23:41                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:46                     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-11  1:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 20:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 20:38         ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:12           ` Paul E. McKenney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-08 15:54 Eric Piel
2005-06-09  2:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 21:58   ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 22:20 Saksena, Manas
2005-06-13 22:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:44   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:43 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:43 Saksena, Manas

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