From: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, xschmi00@stud.feec.vutbr.cz,
alastair@unixtrix.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix small DoS on connect() (was Re: BUG: Unusual TCP Connect() results.)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:21:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050613052148.GF8907@alpha.home.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050613044810.GA32103@gondor.apana.org.au>
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 02:48:10PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 04:24:01PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> >
> > 1) no firewall in front of A
> > - C spoofs A and sends a fake SYN to B
> > - B responds to A with a SYN-ACK
> > - A sends an RST to B, which clears the session
> > - A wants to connect and sends its SYN to B which accepts it.
>
> Well the attacker simply has to keep sending the same SYN packet
> over and over again until A runs out of SYN retries.
>
> What I really don't like about your patch is the fact that it is
> trying to impose a policy decision (that of forbidding all
> simultaneous connection initiations) inside the TCP stack.
It's the same for ECN or SYN cookies.
> A much better place to do that is netfilter. If you do it there
> then not only will your protect all Linux machines from this attack,
> but you'll also protect all the other BSD-derived TCP stacks.
Netfilter already blocks simultaneous connection. A SYN in return to
a SYN produces an INVALID state.
Cheers,
Willy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-06-13 5:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-09 20:51 BUG: Unusual TCP Connect() results Alastair Poole
2005-06-10 2:23 ` [OT] " Kyle Moffett
2005-06-10 13:24 ` Alastair Poole
2005-06-10 15:28 ` Michal Schmidt
2005-06-10 16:55 ` Alastair Poole
2005-06-10 16:06 ` Michal Schmidt
2005-06-10 22:26 ` Willy TARREAU
2005-06-10 22:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-10 22:42 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-11 6:24 ` Willy TARREAU
[not found] ` <20050611074350.GD28759@alpha.home.local>
2005-06-11 19:32 ` [PATCH] fix small DoS on connect() (was Re: BUG: Unusual TCP Connect() results.) Herbert Xu
2005-06-11 19:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 8:13 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 8:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 10:30 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 11:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 12:06 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 12:22 ` Thomas Graf
2005-06-12 13:16 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 12:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 13:13 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 13:33 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 13:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 13:50 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-12 14:24 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-13 4:48 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-13 5:21 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2005-06-13 5:24 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-13 6:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-13 7:45 ` Herbert Xu
2005-06-13 8:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-13 20:57 ` [PATCH] fix small DoS on connect() David S. Miller
2005-06-12 13:36 ` [PATCH] fix small DoS on connect() (was Re: BUG: Unusual TCP Connect() results.) Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 14:44 ` Thomas Graf
2005-06-12 15:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 17:10 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-12 17:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-12 17:47 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-12 18:14 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-06-13 2:04 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-11 15:34 ` BUG: Unusual TCP Connect() results Alastair Poole
2005-06-11 14:38 ` Willy Tarreau
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