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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Cc: Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Alexey Zaytsev <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:37:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050616143727.GC10969@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y89a7wfn.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>

On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:33:16AM -0400, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> > Ext2/3's encoding has always been utf-8.  Period.
> 
> In what way does Ext2/3 know or care about file name encoding?  Doesn't
> it just store an arbitrary 8-byte string?  Couldn't someone claim that
> from the start it was designed to use iso8859-1 just as easily as you
> can claim it was designed to use utf-8?

Because we've had this discussion^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H flame war
years ago, and despite people from Russia whining that that it took 3
bytes to encode each Cyrillic character in UTF-8, it's where we came out.  

The bottom-line though is that if someone files a bug report with ext3
because one user on the system was is creating filenames in Japanese,
and another user on the same time-sharing system is creating filenames
in Germany, and they fail to interoperate, and they were doing so in
their local language, we would laugh at them --- just as people
writing mail programs would laugh at people who complained that they
were running into problems Just Sending 8-bits instead of using MIME,
and could you please fix this business-critical bug?  

Or as more and more desktop programs start interpreting the filenames
as UTF-8, and people with local variations get screwed, that is their
problem, and Not Ours.

So no, we can't prevent anyone from shooting them in the foot.
However, if they *do* take the gun, aim it straight downwards, and
pull the trigger, we aren't obligated to help.

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-16 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01   ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14  9:32     ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28         ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14  8:04           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14  9:05             ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15  8:26               ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15  8:54                 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15  9:14                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15  9:41                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52                       ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34                           ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16  1:44                             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38                               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41                               ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16  9:40                             ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48                               ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22                                 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22  8:41                                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44                               ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17  1:18                                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17  8:21                                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  8:49                                       ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17  9:17                                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  9:37                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  9:41                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09                                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04                                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06                                               ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57                                                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09                                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16  1:42                           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20     ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31       ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16  1:52         ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14           ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16  1:49       ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  2:36         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16  2:59           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  4:33           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37             ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2005-06-19 17:55               ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38                 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26  0:00                   ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26  8:34                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07                     ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15  9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16  1:55   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  3:59     ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24       ` Lukasz Stelmach
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     [not found]     ` <4fBUW-7wi-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4fCe4-7Rm-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]           ` <4fHxo-3Lo-63@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <4fNMd-l6-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-06-17  9:12               ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31                 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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     [not found]   ` <4glbh-xY-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4glbh-xY-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4glbh-xY-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4glbh-xY-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <4glbh-xY-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <4glbh-xY-41@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <4glbh-xY-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-06-17  9:56                 ` Bodo Eggert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer

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