Re: reiser4 plugins

Kyle Moffett
2005-06-28T06:27:20Z

On Jun 28, 2005, at 01:30:08, Hubert Chan wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:38:38 -0400, Kyle Moffett
> <mrmacman_g4@mac.com> said:
>> Ok. Those things should probably be divided up. Stuff like POSIX
>> extended attributes and such that have existing interfaces should use
>> those.
>
> One of the claimed advantages of the '...' interface is that
> everything
> is editable as a file. So if someone wanted to edit the description
> extended attribute for foo.txt, he would just run
> "[editor] foo.txt/.../description" (or
> "[editor] /meta/fs/$(getattrpath foo.txt)/description"), instead of
> needing to use some special purpose editor. It works well for things
> like being able to use Gimp to edit a thumbnail or icon attribute.

I don't disagree with the thumbnail/icon/description, but things like
POSIX acls and extended attributes have _existing_ interfaces which
should be used. I don't deny them the right to add other interfaces
later, but such should be a secondary or tertiary patch, after the
rest of the stuff is in. In any case, if we were to provide an
interface by which one could $EDITOR the POSIX ACLs, it should be
done in the VFS where all filesystems can share it.

> The inspiration, I think, was the MacOS X/NeXTSTEP bundle format. For
> example, MacOS X/NeXTSTEP .app file is actually a directory that
> behaves
> much like an executable file (double-clicking a .app file in the
> Finder
> launches the application, instead of opening the directory). However,
> it is in reality a directory that contains many things that could be
> thought of as extended attributes (such as the application icon,
> information about the application, etc.). Since the application
> icon is
> a real file, it can be edited by normal graphics editors (not like
> Windows programs, where you need a special icon editor). And since
> it's
> inside the .app directory, it's attached to the application (not like
> Linux, where the program is in /usr/bin, and the icon is in
> /usr/share/pixmaps), so it makes package management easier (to
> delete an
> application, just delete the .app file -- don't need to look in
> /usr/share/pixmaps for the icon and delete it).

The key difference here is that Mac OS X does all of the bundle mess
in userspace where it belongs. :-D (I know, I use it daily) I think
that part of Reiser4 needs more review than it's been given at present.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett

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