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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>, Mike Bell <kernel@mikebell.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PATCH] Remove devfs from 2.6.12-git
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:54:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050623195430.GA16162@vrfy.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050623062627.GB11638@kroah.com>

On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 11:26:27PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 03:14:08PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> > Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> writes:
> > > And again, for embedded systems, there are packages to build it and put
> > > it in initramfs.  People have already done the work for you.
> > 
> > BTW, has anyone done a comparison of the space usage of udev vs. devfs
> > (including size of code etc....)?
> 
> Not that I know of.  If you want to do this, compare the original udev
> releases that were around 5kb of code, as the nice features it has today
> are stuff that devfs can not support at all.

Sure, the main udev target is not the embedded world, just because there
is not such a big requirement to adapt a system to so many possible changes
that a desktop system or big servers seeing today.

But we have prepared the kernel with hotplug-events over netlink and a
full featured environment carried with the event. Instead of whining
about devfs going, start implementing your own tiny "udev" that even works
without sysfs at all:

  o Set /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug to "".

  o Create a single daemon that listens for netlink/events. Use $MAJOR $MINOR
    from the environment and create a node.

  o Define a simple kernel-name <-> node-name + action lookup table in the daemon
    If an action is defined, fork an event with the environment of the received
    netlink/event and handle the event externally.

  o For bootup, embedded setups can probably just use the minimal required set
    of nodes, which are copied over to the tmpfs /dev - mount. After
    real userspace is up, the daemon will take care of maintaining /dev.

That way, you have a nice replacement for devfs, /sbin/hotplug and using
$MODALIAS a replacement for most of the hotplug scripts.

Based on udevd.c in the current udev-tree one can do this in less than a
week, still enough time before devfs is removed. :)

Thanks,
Kay

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-23 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-21  6:29 [GIT PATCH] Remove devfs from 2.6.12-git Greg KH
2005-06-21  6:30 ` [PATCH] devfs: Remove devfs from the partition code Greg KH
2005-06-21  6:54 ` [GIT PATCH] Remove devfs from 2.6.12-git Andrew Morton
2005-06-21 13:50   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-21 15:10   ` Greg KH
2005-06-21 20:11     ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-21 20:52       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-06-21 21:03         ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-21 21:16           ` Greg KH
2005-06-21 21:58             ` J.A. Magallon
2005-06-23  1:00     ` Mike Bell
2005-06-23  1:18       ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-23  2:13         ` Bill Gatliff
2005-06-23  4:59       ` Greg KH
2005-06-23  6:14         ` Miles Bader
2005-06-23  6:26           ` Greg KH
2005-06-23  6:36             ` Miles Bader
2005-06-23  7:03               ` Greg KH
2005-06-23 19:54             ` Kay Sievers [this message]
2005-06-23  6:34           ` Mike Bell
2005-06-23  6:37             ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-23  6:47               ` Mike Bell
2005-06-23  6:51               ` Greg KH
2005-06-23  6:38             ` Miles Bader
2005-06-23  6:28         ` Mike Bell
2005-06-23  6:48           ` Greg KH
2005-06-23  8:29             ` Mike Bell
2005-06-23 12:58               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-24  8:24               ` Greg KH
2005-06-23 15:13             ` Per Liden
2005-07-18 16:36         ` Richard Gooch
2005-07-18 20:12           ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-18 22:29             ` Daniel Phillips
2005-07-19  2:51             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-21 17:35 ` Carsten Otte
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-23  4:08 David Brownell
2005-06-23  6:21 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-23  8:10 ` Russell King
2005-06-23  5:08 David Brownell
2005-06-23  5:22 ` Bill Gatliff

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