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From: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
To: Timur Tabi <timur.tabi@ammasso.com>
Cc: rostedt@goodmis.org, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: kmalloc without GFP_xxx?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:52:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200506301052.54570.vda@ilport.com.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42C2D0C1.4030500@ammasso.com>

On Wednesday 29 June 2005 19:48, Timur Tabi wrote:
> Denis Vlasenko wrote:
> 
> > This is why I always use _irqsave. Less error prone.
> 
> No, it's just bad programming.  How hard can it be to see which spinlocks are being used 
> by your ISR and which ones aren't?  Only the ones that your ISR touches should have 
> _irqsave.  It's really quite simple.

Given that I do not touch core kernel and most of spinlocks I ever
did were in drivers - yes, they are there to protect me from IRQ
handler races.

> > This is more or less what I meant. Why think about each kmalloc and when you
> > eventually did get it right: "Aha, we _sometimes_ get called from spinlocked code,
> > GFP_ATOMIC then" - you still do atomic alloc even if cases when you
> > were _not_ called from locked code! Thus you needed to think longer and got
> > code which is worse.
> 
> So you're saying that you're the kind of programmer who makes more mistakes the longer you 
> think about something?????

No.

I say that writing kmalloc(size, GFP_ATOMIC) takes more time to verify
that it is needed compared to hypothetical kmalloc_auto(size),
and yet kmalloc(size, GFP_ATOMIC) is worse in a sense thet it won't sleep
even if it happens to be called outside locks.

Think about this:

/* may be called under spinlock */
void do_something() {
	/* we need to alloc here */
}

> Using GFP_ATOMIC increases the probability that you won't be able to allocate the memory 
> you need, and it also increases the probability that some other module that really needs 
> GFP_ATOMIC will also be unable to allocate the memory it needs.  Please tell me, how is 
> this considered good programming?

Where did I say "let's use GFP_ATOMIC everywhere" ?
--
vda


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-30  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-29 11:02 kmalloc without GFP_xxx? Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-29 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2005-06-29 11:18   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-29 11:25     ` Jens Axboe
2005-06-29 11:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-06-29 11:20   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-29 11:37     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-06-29 13:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-29 14:14         ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-29 14:23           ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-29 14:53             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-29 15:10               ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-29 15:48                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-29 15:54                   ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-29 16:04                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-29 15:12           ` Oliver Neukum
2005-06-29 16:48           ` Timur Tabi
2005-06-29 17:22             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-29 17:43               ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-29 18:07                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-30  7:52             ` Denis Vlasenko [this message]
2005-06-30  8:05               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-30  1:02         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-06-30  6:02           ` Steven Rostedt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-29 20:28 Manfred Spraul
2005-06-29 20:44 Manfred Spraul
2005-06-30  5:57 ` Steven Rostedt

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