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From: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: andersen@codepoet.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:36:22 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200509031836.22357.vda@ilport.com.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AFDE003F-F14F-42CE-B964-2E04A4402406@mac.com>

On Saturday 03 September 2005 08:55, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> On Sep 3, 2005, at 00:28:59, Erik Andersen wrote:
> >> Absolutely not.  This would be a POSIX namespace violation; they
> >> *must* use double-underscore types.
> >
> > I assume you are worried about the stuff under asm that ends up
> > being included by nearly every header file in the world.  Of
> > course asm must use double-underscore types.  But the thing is,
> > the vast majority of the kernel headers live under
> > linux/include/linux/ and do not use double-underscore types, they
> > use kernel specific, non-underscored types such as s8, u32, etc.
> > My copy of IEEE 1003.1 and my copy of ISO/IEC 9899:1999 both fail
> > to prohibit using the shiny new ISO C99 type for the various
> > #include <linux/*> header files, which is what I was suggesting.
> 
> Anything in linux/* that is included by userspace should not
> presume that stdint.h has already been included or include it on
> its own, because the userspace program may have already made its
> own definitions of uint32_t, or it may not want them defined at
> all.

Is this an excercise in academia? Userspace app which defines
uint32_t to anything different than 'typedef <appropriate int type>'
deserves the punishment, and one which does have such typedef
instead of #include stdint.h will not notice.

All these u32, uint32_t, __u32 end up typedef'ing to same
integer type anyway...

Why should we care of such 'struct uint32_t { ... };' pervert cases?
If we will do, I suspect we will end up with __________u32's.
We already have a lot of __'s:

linux/cache.h:#define ____cacheline_aligned __attribute__((__aligned__(SMP_CACHE_BYTES)))
linux/rcupdate.h:                             typeof(p) _________p1 = p; \

*three underscores* line count over kernel's include/:

# grep -r ___ . | wc -l
10129

and "only" two underscores:

# grep -r __ . | wc -l
72216
--
vda

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-03 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-02  3:00 [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 13:41 ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-02 20:51   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:58     ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  0:07       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  0:30         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  0:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  0:50             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  4:28         ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  5:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  5:50             ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  5:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  6:41                 ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03 15:01                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03 15:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03 16:55                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05 16:35                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-05 23:28                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-06  1:29                           ` [RFC][MEGAPATCH] Change __ASSEMBLY__ to __ASSEMBLER__ (defined by GCC from 2.95 to current CVS) Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10  8:40                             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10  8:45                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-10 17:38                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10 22:04                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-11  0:33                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-11  0:48                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-11  3:15                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12  8:09                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 15:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-12 15:47                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 17:17                                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-12 21:14                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 21:39                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12 17:18                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-12 17:51                                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12 21:04                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-14 13:56                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-15 21:53                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2005-09-03  5:55           ` [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  5:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  6:05               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03 15:36             ` Denis Vlasenko [this message]
2005-09-03 16:33               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03 16:51                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-14 13:46         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-14 17:01           ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-14 17:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-14 18:14           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-14 19:09             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-14 19:20               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-14 19:46               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 21:42 ` Jeff Dike
2005-09-02 21:55   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-02 22:44     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-02 23:41         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:53           ` H. Peter Anvin

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