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From: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: phillips@istop.com, linux-cluster@redhat.com,
	wim.coekaerts@oracle.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-cluster] Re: GFS, what's remaining
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:11:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050904091118.GZ8684@ca-server1.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050904011805.68df8dde.akpm@osdl.org>

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 01:18:05AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > 	I thought I stated this in my other email.  We're not intending
> > to extend dlmfs.
> 
> Famous last words ;)

	Heh, of course :-)

> I don't buy the general "fs is nice because we can script it" argument,
> really.  You can just write a few simple applications which provide access
> to the syscalls (or the fs!) and then write scripts around those.

	I can't see how that works easily.  I'm not worried about a
tarball (eventually Red Hat and SuSE and Debian would have it).  I'm
thinking about this shell:

	exec 7</dlm/domainxxxx/lock1
	do stuff
	exec 7</dev/null

If someone kills the shell while stuff is doing, the lock is unlocked
because fd 7 is closed.  However, if you have an application to do the
locking:

	takelock domainxxx lock1
	do sutff
	droplock domainxxx lock1

When someone kills the shell, the lock is leaked, becuase droplock isn't
called.  And SEGV/QUIT/-9 (especially -9, folks love it too much) are
handled by the first example but not by the second.
	
Joel

-- 

"Same dancers in the same old shoes.
 You get too careful with the steps you choose.
 You don't care about winning but you don't want to lose
 After the thrill is gone."

Joel Becker
Senior Member of Technical Staff
Oracle
E-mail: joel.becker@oracle.com
Phone: (650) 506-8127


  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-04  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-01 10:46 GFS, what's remaining David Teigland
2005-09-01 10:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-01 10:59 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-01 14:49   ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 14:27     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-01 15:28       ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 15:11         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-09-01 17:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-02  7:04           ` David Teigland
2005-09-01 17:23     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-01 20:21     ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-02 21:17       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-02 23:03         ` Bryan Henderson
2005-09-03  0:16         ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-03  6:42           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-03  6:46             ` [Linux-cluster] " Wim Coekaerts
2005-09-03 22:21               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04  1:09                 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  1:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  3:06                     ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  4:22                       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04  4:30                         ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  4:51                           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04  5:00                             ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  5:52                               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04  5:56                                 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  4:46                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  4:58                           ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  5:41                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  5:49                               ` Joel Becker
2005-09-05  4:30                               ` David Teigland
2005-09-05  8:54                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-05  9:24                                   ` David Teigland
2005-09-05  9:19                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-05  9:30                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-05  9:48                                       ` David Teigland
2005-09-05 12:21                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-09-05 19:53                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-05 23:20                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-09-05 23:06                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-14  9:01                                         ` Patrick Caulfield
2005-09-14  9:46                                           ` Antonio Vargas
2005-09-05 19:11                                     ` kurt.hackel
2005-09-04  6:10                           ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-04  7:23                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  8:17                               ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-04  8:37                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  6:40                           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04  7:28                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  8:01                               ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04  8:18                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  9:11                                   ` Joel Becker [this message]
2005-09-04  9:18                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-04  9:39                                       ` Joel Becker
2005-09-04 18:03                                     ` Hua Zhong
2005-09-04 19:51                               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04  8:37                           ` Alan Cox
2005-09-05 23:32                             ` Joel Becker
2005-09-03  5:57         ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-05 14:14           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-09-05 15:49             ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-05 16:18               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06  0:57                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06  2:03                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06  4:02                     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06  4:07                       ` GFS, what's remainingh Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06  4:58                         ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06  5:05                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06  6:48                             ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06  6:55                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06  7:18                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 14:31                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-09-06 13:42                               ` Alan Cox
2005-09-03  7:06         ` GFS, what's remaining Wim Coekaerts
2005-09-03  7:27           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-09-05 14:16             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-09-05 20:24               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-09-05 20:53                 ` Kurt Hackel
2005-09-05 23:37                 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-06  5:24                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 12:55         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-09-03  5:18       ` David Teigland
2005-09-03  6:14         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-03  6:42           ` D. Hazelton
2005-09-03 10:35           ` David Teigland
2005-09-03 20:56             ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-04 20:33         ` Pavel Machek
2005-09-04 22:18           ` Joel Becker
2005-09-05  5:54           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-05  7:09             ` Mark Fasheh
2005-09-05 14:07               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-05  8:27             ` real read-only [was Re: GFS, what's remaining] Pavel Machek
2005-09-05 14:03               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-05 10:44           ` [Linux-cluster] Re: GFS, what's remaining Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-09-01 11:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-02  9:44   ` David Teigland
2005-09-02 11:46     ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-03  5:28     ` Greg KH
2005-09-05  3:47       ` David Teigland
2005-09-05  8:58         ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-05  9:18           ` David Teigland
2005-09-05  5:43   ` David Teigland
2005-09-05  6:32     ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05  7:55       ` David Teigland
2005-09-05  8:00         ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-10 10:11     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-05  6:29   ` David Teigland
2005-09-08  5:41   ` David Teigland
2005-09-01 12:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-01 17:27 ` Daniel Phillips
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-01 18:47 [Linux-cluster] " Hua Zhong (hzhong)

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