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From: Paul Misner <paul@misner.org>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:44:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200509041144.13145.paul@misner.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200509041549.17512.vda@ilport.com.ua>

On Sunday 04 September 2005 7:49 am, Denis Vlasenko wrote:
> On Friday 02 September 2005 09:08, Alex Davis wrote:
> > ndiswrapper and driverloader will not work reliably with 4k stacks.
> > This is because of the Windoze drivers they use, to which, obviously,
> > they do not have the source. Since quite a few laptops have built-in
> > wireless cards by companies who will not release an open-source driver,
> > or won't release specs, ndiswrapper and driverloader are the only way
> > to get these cards to work.
> >   Please don't tell me to "get a linux-supported wireless card". I don't
> > want the clutter of an external wireless adapter sticking out of my
> > laptop, nor do I want to spend money on a card when I have a free and
> > working solution.
>
> Please don't tell me to "care for closed-source drivers". I don't
> want the pain of debugging crashes on the machines which run unknown code
> in kernel space.
>
> IOW, if you run closed source modules - it's _your_ problem, not ours.
> --
> vda
> -
No one is asking you to 'care' about our problems running a notebook with a 
closed source driver under ndiswrapper.  We aren't asking you to debug 
problems with them either.  All we're asking is for you to not go out of your 
way to break existing working machines, and make it difficult to run Linux on 
them.  You are talking about knowingly removing an option that allows many 
machines to currently run without problems, some of them for reasons other 
than closed source code.

If you want 4k stacks to be the default, I have no problem with that.  If you 
want to rip out the provision for 8k stacks to be selectable at build time, 
that is a different issue entirely.

Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-04 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <4J5R1-cH-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4J6ao-L9-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4J6jZ-Xg-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4J8vt-43Y-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-02  6:08           ` RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Alex Davis
2005-09-04 12:49             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-04 13:30               ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-09-04 14:49                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04 16:44               ` Paul Misner [this message]
2005-09-04 17:07                 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-04 17:12                   ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 19:22                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-04 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 20:13                       ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 20:37                         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-07 16:38                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2005-09-08 19:05                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 19:27                                 ` Large File Support in Kernel 2.6 Andreas Baer
2005-09-08 20:16                                   ` Mike Houston
2005-09-09  8:39                                     ` Andreas Baer
2005-09-05 22:32                       ` RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Thorild Selen
2005-09-05 23:06                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-06 10:29 Chuck Ebbert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-05  2:00 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  2:07 ` Sean
2005-09-05  2:29   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:00     ` Sean
2005-09-05  3:41       ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:51         ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:03           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  4:12             ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  4:47                 ` Sean
2005-09-05  5:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  5:31                     ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:04                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  6:20                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:29                         ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05 15:29                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-08 20:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 22:51                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:41                 ` Sander
2005-09-05  8:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-08 20:01                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 20:24                   ` Christopher Friesen
2005-09-05  3:54         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05  4:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-05  4:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-06 17:04           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-09-05  1:30 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  1:41 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-05  1:56   ` dean gaudet
     [not found] <4I7UM-M1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4ITG4-8nH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J1DC-2NU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-04 17:33     ` Robert Hancock
2005-09-04 14:51 Alex Davis
2005-09-04 17:11 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04 17:11   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-09-04 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-06  4:37   ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  6:39     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-06  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  7:32         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-06  7:50           ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 13:29           ` Diego Calleja
2005-09-06 13:25     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 17:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 17:23         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 18:42           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-06 18:46             ` viro
2005-09-06 19:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 20:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-07 17:46             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:54               ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 19:52                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:29                     ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 20:28                   ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 21:57                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07 23:25                       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-08  1:06                         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-08 19:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-06 22:19           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 22:36               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-09-06 22:28             ` Roland Dreier
2005-09-07  0:04               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:42             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07  1:59             ` Mark Lord
2005-09-07  3:46               ` Lee Revell
2005-09-07  4:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07  5:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 16:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08  0:44   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-02  0:39 Adrian Bunk
2005-09-02  5:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-09-02  6:29   ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:40     ` Neil Brown
2005-09-13  8:05       ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-10-01 22:50         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-02 20:35           ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:55 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-02 21:58 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-04  3:48 ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04  7:36   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04  8:23     ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 12:12   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2005-09-04 13:26 ` Sander
2005-06-08 12:35 Ian Kumlien
2005-06-08 13:14 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-07 21:27 Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 21:47 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-06-08 10:03   ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-08 10:39   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 11:12     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-08 12:13       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-04 18:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-05  6:14           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-05 13:46             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-08  1:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-06-08 10:42   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:28     ` raven
2005-06-08 12:00 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2005-06-10 15:18   ` Vladimir Saveliev

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