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From: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
To: Bas Westerbaan <bas.westerbaan@gmail.com>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Paul Misner <paul@misner.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:37:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050904203725.GB4715@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6880bed305090413132c37fed3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 10:13:10PM +0200, Bas Westerbaan wrote:
 > > > Though 4K stacks are used a lot, they probably aren't used on all
 > > > configurations yet. Other situations may arise where 8K stacks may be
 > > > preferred. It is too early to kill 8K stacks imho.
 > > 
 > > Please name situations where 8K stacks may be preferred that do not
 > > involve binary-only modules.
 > 
 > I meant that there could be situations, which have not yet been found,

And the boogeyman might really exist too.
This is just hypotetical hand-waving.

 > where it could be preferred to use 8K stacks instead of 4K. When you
 > switch from having 8K stacks as default to 4K stacks without
 > possibility for 8K stacks you'd possibly encounter these yet to be
 > found situations.

Fedora kernels have been built with 4K stacks for a long time.
(Since even before the option went upstream). The only things that
have been reported to have problems with 4KB stacks are..

- NDISwrapper / driverloader.
  (Shock, horror - no-one cares).
- XFS when used in conjunction with RAID
  Fixed now ?  (Though Neil Brown does have a pending patch for md
  to make that use less stack, which will also help).
- Reiser4
  Fixed 'soon'.

 > When on the other hand the 4K stacks are set as default, leaving the
 > option in, instead of removing it, these possible situations, when
 > found, could be resolved (temporarilly) by switching back to 8K
 > stacks.
 > 
 > After a while having 4K stacks as default would be a better time to
 > decide whether to remove the option or not instead of now.

This is what was proposed not long after the option got merged.
"After a while" has passed by quite a stretch.

		Dave


  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-04 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4IcUz-7H2-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]   ` <4J5R1-cH-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4J6ao-L9-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4J6jZ-Xg-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4J8vt-43Y-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-02  6:08           ` RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Alex Davis
2005-09-04 12:49             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-04 13:30               ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-09-04 14:49                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04 16:44               ` Paul Misner
2005-09-04 17:07                 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-04 17:12                   ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 19:22                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-04 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 20:13                       ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 20:37                         ` Dave Jones [this message]
2005-09-07 16:38                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2005-09-08 19:05                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 19:27                                 ` Large File Support in Kernel 2.6 Andreas Baer
2005-09-08 20:16                                   ` Mike Houston
2005-09-09  8:39                                     ` Andreas Baer
2005-09-05 22:32                       ` RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Thorild Selen
2005-09-05 23:06                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-06 10:29 Chuck Ebbert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-05  2:00 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  2:07 ` Sean
2005-09-05  2:29   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:00     ` Sean
2005-09-05  3:41       ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:51         ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:03           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  4:12             ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  4:47                 ` Sean
2005-09-05  5:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  5:31                     ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:04                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  6:20                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:29                         ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05 15:29                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-08 20:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 22:51                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:41                 ` Sander
2005-09-05  8:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-08 20:01                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 20:24                   ` Christopher Friesen
2005-09-05  3:54         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05  4:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-05  4:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-06 17:04           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-09-05  1:30 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  1:41 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-05  1:56   ` dean gaudet
     [not found] <4I7UM-M1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4ITG4-8nH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J1DC-2NU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-04 17:33     ` Robert Hancock
2005-09-04 14:51 Alex Davis
2005-09-04 17:11 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04 17:11   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-09-04 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-06  4:37   ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  6:39     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-06  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  7:32         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-06  7:50           ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 13:29           ` Diego Calleja
2005-09-06 13:25     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 17:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 17:23         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 18:42           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-06 18:46             ` viro
2005-09-06 19:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 20:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-07 17:46             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:54               ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 19:52                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:29                     ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 20:28                   ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 21:57                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07 23:25                       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-08  1:06                         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-08 19:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-06 22:19           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 22:36               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-09-06 22:28             ` Roland Dreier
2005-09-07  0:04               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:42             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07  1:59             ` Mark Lord
2005-09-07  3:46               ` Lee Revell
2005-09-07  4:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07  5:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 16:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08  0:44   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-02  0:39 Adrian Bunk
2005-09-02  5:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-09-02  6:29   ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:40     ` Neil Brown
2005-09-13  8:05       ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-10-01 22:50         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-02 20:35           ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:55 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-02 21:58 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-04  3:48 ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04  7:36   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04  8:23     ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 12:12   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2005-09-04 13:26 ` Sander
2005-06-08 12:35 Ian Kumlien
2005-06-08 13:14 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-07 21:27 Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 21:47 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-06-08 10:03   ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-08 10:39   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 11:12     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-08 12:13       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-04 18:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-05  6:14           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-05 13:46             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-08  1:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-06-08 10:42   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:28     ` raven
2005-06-08 12:00 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2005-06-10 15:18   ` Vladimir Saveliev

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