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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Alex Davis <alex14641@yahoo.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:41:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050905014153.GD3741@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050905013030.14361.qmail@web50211.mail.yahoo.com>

On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 06:30:29PM -0700, Alex Davis wrote:
> >The NdisWrapper FAQ already tells you that you need a patch for some of 
> >the binary-only Windows drivers that require more than 8kB stacks.
> >
> >And the fact that NdisWrapper is mostly working hinders the development 
> >of open source drivers for this hardware.
> 
> If the hardware manufacturer won't give you the spec's then writing a driver
> is going to be pretty difficult, if not impossible. Reverse-engineering 
> may be possible, but still....
> 
> I believe it's the lack of spec's, rather than the existence of ndiswrapper
> and driverloader, that hinder driver development. 

How do you put pressure on hardware manufacturers for getting them to 
release the specs?

If they are able to write "supported by Linux" on their products anyway 
because there's a driver that runs under NdisWrapper?

Or if people return/don't buy the hardware because of missing Linux 
support reducing the revenue of the hardware manufacturer by some $$ ?

> -Alex

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-05  1:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-05  1:30 RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Alex Davis
2005-09-05  1:41 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-09-05  1:56   ` dean gaudet
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-06 10:29 Chuck Ebbert
2005-09-05  2:00 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  2:07 ` Sean
2005-09-05  2:29   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:00     ` Sean
2005-09-05  3:41       ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:51         ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:03           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  4:12             ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  4:47                 ` Sean
2005-09-05  5:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  5:31                     ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:04                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  6:20                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:29                         ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05 15:29                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-08 20:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 22:51                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:41                 ` Sander
2005-09-05  8:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-08 20:01                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 20:24                   ` Christopher Friesen
2005-09-05  3:54         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05  4:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-05  4:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-06 17:04           ` Benjamin LaHaise
     [not found] <4I7UM-M1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4ITG4-8nH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J1DC-2NU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-04 17:33     ` Robert Hancock
2005-09-04 14:51 Alex Davis
2005-09-04 17:11 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04 17:11   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-09-04 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-06  4:37   ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  6:39     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-06  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  7:32         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-06  7:50           ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 13:29           ` Diego Calleja
2005-09-06 13:25     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 17:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 17:23         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 18:42           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-06 18:46             ` viro
2005-09-06 19:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 20:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-07 17:46             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:54               ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 19:52                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:29                     ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 20:28                   ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 21:57                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07 23:25                       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-08  1:06                         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-08 19:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-06 22:19           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 22:36               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-09-06 22:28             ` Roland Dreier
2005-09-07  0:04               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:42             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07  1:59             ` Mark Lord
2005-09-07  3:46               ` Lee Revell
2005-09-07  4:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07  5:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 16:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08  0:44   ` Alex Davis
     [not found] <4IcUz-7H2-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4J2gx-3zf-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J5R1-cH-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4J6ao-L9-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4J6jZ-Xg-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4J8vt-43Y-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-02  6:08           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-04 12:49             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-04 13:30               ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-09-04 14:49                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04 16:44               ` Paul Misner
2005-09-04 17:07                 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-04 17:12                   ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 19:22                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-04 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 20:13                       ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 20:37                         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-07 16:38                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2005-09-08 19:05                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-05 22:32                       ` Thorild Selen
2005-09-05 23:06                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02  0:39 Adrian Bunk
2005-09-02  5:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-09-02  6:29   ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:40     ` Neil Brown
2005-09-13  8:05       ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-10-01 22:50         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-02 20:35           ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:55 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-02 21:58 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-04  3:48 ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04  7:36   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04  8:23     ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 12:12   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2005-09-04 13:26 ` Sander
2005-06-08 12:35 Ian Kumlien
2005-06-08 13:14 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-07 21:27 Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 21:47 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-06-08 10:03   ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-08 10:39   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 11:12     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-08 12:13       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-04 18:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-05  6:14           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-05 13:46             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-08  1:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-06-08 10:42   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:28     ` raven
2005-06-08 12:00 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2005-06-10 15:18   ` Vladimir Saveliev

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