From: Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>
To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
Cc: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: what's next for the linux kernel?
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:27:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200510022028.07930.chase.venters@clientec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051003011041.GN6290@lkcl.net>
I'd venture to say that Linux scalability is fantastic. This also sounds like
a repeat of a debate that happened ten years ago.
I too was intrigued by Andrew's comment about 'finishing the kernel', though
I'm guessing (albeit without ever having spoken to Andrew personally) that it
was partially in jest. What it does suggest, though, is a point that KDE
desktop developer Aaron Seigo has made recently about the focus moving up the
stack.
If we are admirably tackling the problems of hardware compatibility,
stability, scalability and we've implemented most of the important features
that belong in the kernel, then a lot of the development fire for a so-called
complete Linux system is going to have to move up the stack - into the
userland.
Indeed, adding 100 cores to my Pentium 4 isn't going to do me a damned bit of
good when Akregator goes to query some 40 RSS feeds and Kontact blocks,
refusing to process GUI events. It's also not going to make compiling a
single .c file any faster.
I have no doubt that the bright minds here on LKML will continue to find
places to improve Linux's scalability, but that certainly doesn't require
rebuilding the kernel - we're already doing remarkably well in the
scalability department.
The bottom line is that the application developers need to start being clever
with threads. I think I remember some interesting rumors about Perl 6, for
example, including 'autothreading' support - the idea that your optimizer
could be smart enough to identify certain work that can go parallel.
As dual cores and HT become more popular, the onus is going to be on the
applications, not the OS, to speed up.
Regards,
Chase Venters
On Sunday 02 October 2005 08:10 pm, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> ... words ...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-10-03 1:28 UTC|newest]
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2005-10-02 20:47 what's next for the linux kernel? Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-02 21:05 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-02 23:05 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-02 23:26 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-03 1:26 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 1:53 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-02 23:37 ` Vadim Lobanov
2005-10-03 0:54 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 1:20 ` Vadim Lobanov
2005-10-03 1:47 ` Al Viro
2005-10-03 1:50 ` Vadim Lobanov
2005-10-03 1:53 ` Al Viro
2005-10-03 2:00 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 9:34 ` Erik Mouw
2005-10-03 1:53 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 2:31 ` Vadim Lobanov
2005-10-02 23:14 ` D. Hazelton
2005-10-03 10:36 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2005-10-03 21:34 ` Nix
2005-10-03 18:19 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-04 12:53 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 13:13 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-04 13:47 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-04 17:12 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-10-04 16:20 ` Gene Heskett
2005-10-03 2:12 ` Horst von Brand
2005-10-03 16:32 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-03 19:02 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 2:55 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-03 3:25 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-03 19:13 ` Alan Cox
2005-10-03 21:22 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 5:03 ` Sonny Rao
2005-10-03 21:12 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 23:46 ` Sonny Rao
2005-10-03 19:18 ` Alan Cox
2005-10-03 21:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 22:05 ` Alan Cox
2005-10-04 14:01 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-04 3:51 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-03 0:04 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-03 0:14 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-10-03 0:44 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 7:50 ` Meelis Roos
2005-10-03 18:08 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-03 18:28 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-03 20:00 ` Jon Masters
2005-10-03 18:56 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 1:10 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 1:18 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-03 1:27 ` Chase Venters [this message]
2005-10-04 12:59 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 15:01 ` Tushar Adeshara
2005-10-04 15:04 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-04 15:58 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 16:17 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 17:15 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-04 17:23 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 17:40 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-04 17:30 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-06 0:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 9:56 ` David Weinehall
2005-10-06 17:23 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-06 19:22 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-07 0:38 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-07 1:10 ` Al Viro
2005-10-07 0:40 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 17:56 ` Joe Bob Spamtest
[not found] ` <20051003185804.GB8548@lkcl.net>
[not found] ` <43418834.6070400@spamtest.viacore.net>
2005-10-03 20:30 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-02 22:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-10-02 23:24 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 4:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-10-03 0:38 ` Kurt Wall
2005-10-03 0:36 ` Kurt Wall
2005-10-03 0:43 ` David Leimbach
2005-10-03 5:45 ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-03 14:20 ` Jon Masters
2005-10-03 16:00 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-03 19:12 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 19:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-03 20:22 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-03 21:55 ` Jon Masters
2005-10-04 1:33 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-10-04 12:22 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 19:47 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-04 21:15 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-04 23:40 ` Chase Venters
2005-10-05 5:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-05 10:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 6:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-10-05 10:03 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 10:26 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 11:04 ` Diego Calleja
2005-10-06 19:15 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 5:04 ` Chase Venters
2005-10-06 4:27 ` [ANNOUNCE] Wolf Mountain File System [what's next for the linux kernel] jmerkey
2005-10-06 4:32 ` jmerkey
2005-10-06 10:44 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 14:24 ` jmerkey
2005-10-06 8:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-06 14:25 ` jmerkey
2005-10-11 18:18 ` [ANNOUNCE] Wolf Mountain File System Jeff V. Merkey
2005-10-06 15:10 ` what's next for the linux kernel? Michael Concannon
2005-10-06 19:28 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 20:13 ` Michael Concannon
2005-10-06 20:22 ` Michael Concannon
2005-10-06 21:05 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 21:20 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 21:53 ` Michael Concannon
2005-10-06 22:24 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 22:41 ` Michael Concannon
2005-10-06 22:41 ` Michael Concannon
2005-10-07 1:05 ` Howard Chu
2005-10-08 22:27 ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-08 22:42 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 0:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-10-05 1:22 ` D. Hazelton
2005-10-05 5:49 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 6:03 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-05 9:24 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-05 9:56 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 10:30 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-05 11:13 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 12:17 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-05 12:36 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 18:47 ` Horst von Brand
2005-10-05 23:03 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 21:55 ` jmerkey
2005-10-05 23:36 ` Neil Brown
2005-10-05 22:21 ` jmerkey
2005-10-05 23:42 ` David Leimbach
2005-10-06 3:06 ` Horst von Brand
2005-10-06 10:54 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 8:03 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-06 9:31 ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-06 14:40 ` Horst von Brand
2005-10-06 18:34 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-05 11:16 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 13:21 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 13:52 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-05 23:53 ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-05 16:36 ` Tim Bird
2005-10-05 13:45 ` D. Hazelton
2005-10-05 10:09 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 10:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-05 11:14 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 14:17 ` Nix
2005-10-05 15:54 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-05 15:58 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 16:15 ` Al Viro
2005-10-05 16:23 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 19:30 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 22:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 10:28 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-07 0:59 ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-10-07 0:25 ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-10-05 20:11 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[not found] <4TiWy-4HQ-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-10-02 22:43 ` Robert Hancock
2005-10-02 23:32 ` Gene Heskett
2005-10-02 23:41 ` Vadim Lobanov
2005-10-02 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2005-10-03 3:50 ` Gene Heskett
2005-10-03 9:39 ` Jesper Juhl
[not found] ` <4U0XH-3Gp-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-10-04 22:04 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-10-05 10:36 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 23:12 ` Nix
2005-10-05 23:28 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 23:49 ` Nix
2005-10-05 14:34 ` Nix
2005-10-05 14:41 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 14:44 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 14:48 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 14:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 15:08 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 15:26 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 19:16 ` Nix
2005-10-05 19:30 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 20:26 ` Nix
2005-10-08 16:49 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-10-05 19:40 ` Al Viro
2005-10-05 19:49 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 19:55 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 20:25 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-05 20:31 ` Nix
2005-10-05 14:59 ` Nigel Rantor
2005-10-05 16:16 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-10-05 19:37 ` Florin Malita
2005-10-05 19:44 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 19:52 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 20:05 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 20:23 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-06 2:56 ` Horst von Brand
2005-10-06 3:50 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 20:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-10-05 20:58 ` Dave Neuer
2005-10-05 21:05 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-10-06 6:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-10-05 19:54 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-10-07 0:11 ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-10-05 14:52 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-05 14:57 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 15:26 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-05 15:24 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 15:30 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-05 15:42 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 15:55 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-10-06 15:41 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2005-10-05 14:55 ` David Leimbach
2005-10-05 16:25 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-10-05 16:41 ` David Leimbach
2005-10-05 19:21 ` Nix
2005-10-05 23:23 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 9:53 ` grundig
2005-10-06 10:45 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-06 15:18 ` Greg Norris
2005-10-05 20:27 ` Marc Perkel
2005-10-05 20:41 ` Julian Blake Kongslie
2005-10-05 20:51 ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-10-05 20:57 ` Julian Blake Kongslie
[not found] ` <4Uis4-4pZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-10-05 17:43 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-10-05 19:27 ` Nix
2005-10-05 20:04 ` Bodo Eggert
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-10-04 4:11 Martin Fouts
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2005-10-05 12:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 12:31 ` Jens Axboe
2005-10-05 13:35 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 13:40 ` Jens Axboe
2005-10-05 15:29 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 15:51 ` Jens Axboe
2005-10-05 16:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-10-05 23:24 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-05 17:01 ` Dave Neuer
[not found] ` <161717d50510050957t2eaa3af0u8c6b3b4d327497a9@mail.gmail.com>
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2005-10-06 0:03 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 0:14 ` David S. Miller
2005-10-06 1:11 ` Nigel Rantor
2005-10-06 11:10 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-10-06 15:44 ` Al Viro
2005-10-06 0:51 ` Howard Chu
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