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From: Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: [Keyrings] [PATCH] Keys: Add LSM hooks for key management
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:58:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051006175817.GK16352@shell0.pdx.osdl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23333.1128596048@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>

* David Howells (dhowells@redhat.com) wrote:
> James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
> > > What case causes context != current?
> > 
> > Indeed, this is critical: we always need to know which task initiated the 
> > current action.  If it's not current, then we need the calling task struct 
> > passed into the security hook.
> 
> Surely you know the calling task struct: it's current, but I can pass it in
> anyway if you wish.
> 
> As I outlined in a previous email, this has to do with the way request_key()
> works, and the need for the process actually instantiating the key to gain
> access to the keyrings, ownership, group membership, etc. of the process that
> created the key.

The security check is comparing key label to task label.  If it's not
done 100% in current context, then task must be passed to get access
to proper label.  So, for example, request-key is done by the special
privileged /sbin/request-key via usermodehelper on behalf of someone else.

> > > > +	/* do a final security check before publishing the key */
> > > > +	ret = security_key_alloc(key);
> > > 
> > > This may simply be allocating space for the label (and possibly labelling)
> > > not necessarily a security check.
> > 
> > Agree, in fact, I think we should always aim to keep housekeeping hooks 
> > separate from access control hooks.
> 
> What do you mean by separate? And this provides a chance for the LSM to deny
> the creation of a key before it's published.

Just remove the comment, and we'll all agree ;-)

> > Access checks seem to be usually done before this point via 
> > lookup_user_key(), which is ideal.
> 
> Eh? lookup_user_key()? That's not necessarily called before, not if you're
> creating a key.
> 
> > > This is odd, esp since nothing could have failed between alloc and
> > > publish.  Only state change is serial number.  Would you expect the
> > > security module to update a label based on serial number?
> > 
> > I don't think SELinux would care about this yet.  If so, the hook can be 
> > added later.
> 
> Auditing?

Hmm, suppose, but auditing is not the charter of LSM.  So in this case,
the previous hook can audit key creation if needed.  Just looking to
avoid hook proliferation if possible.

> > > Are you sure this is right?  Normally I'd expect users can _not_ set the
> > > security labels of their own keys.  But perhaps I've missed the point
> > > of this one, could you give a use case?
> > 
> > I think this is like xattrs on files, where the user can set and view 
> > security attributes.
> 
> That's what I was thinking of.

I see, what would they used for?

thanks,
-chris

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-06 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-05 16:28 [PATCH] Keys: Add LSM hooks for key management David Howells
2005-10-05 16:44 ` [Keyrings] " James Morris
2005-10-05 16:48   ` David Howells
2005-10-05 19:31     ` James Morris
2005-10-05 18:40 ` serue
2005-10-05 21:10 ` [Keyrings] " Chris Wright
2005-10-06  8:03   ` James Morris
2005-10-06 10:54     ` David Howells
2005-10-06 15:04       ` James Morris
2005-10-06 15:18         ` David Howells
2005-10-06 16:02           ` James Morris
2005-10-07  8:50             ` David Howells
2005-10-07 18:36               ` Chris Wright
2005-10-06 17:58       ` Chris Wright [this message]
2005-10-07  9:10         ` David Howells
2005-10-07 12:59           ` Stephen Smalley
2005-10-07 18:51           ` Chris Wright
2005-10-06 10:30   ` David Howells
2005-10-06 23:10     ` Chris Wright
2005-10-07  9:57       ` David Howells
2005-10-07 19:36         ` Chris Wright
2005-10-06  8:38 ` James Morris
2005-10-06 11:06   ` David Howells
2005-10-06 14:25     ` James Morris
2005-10-06 15:11       ` David Howells
2005-10-06 16:14         ` James Morris
2005-10-07  9:03           ` David Howells
2005-10-07 14:05             ` James Morris

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