public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: "Chen, Kenneth W" <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: better wake-balancing: respin
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:37:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051028143750.GA1806@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43620583.9080500@yahoo.com.au>


* Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Ingo, I wasn't aware that tasks are bouncing around wildly; does your 
> patch improve things? Then by definition it must penalise workloads 
> where the pairings are more predictable?

for TPC, most of the non-to-idle migrations are 'wrong'. So basically 
any change that gets rid of extra migrations is a win. This does not 
mean that it is all bouncing madly.

> I would prefer to try fixing wake balancing before giving up and 
> turning it off for busy CPUs.

agreed, and that was my suggestion: improve the heuristics to not hurt 
workloads where there is no natural pairing.

one possible way would be to do a task_hot() check in the passive 
balancing code, and only migrate the task when it's been inactive for a 
long time: that should be the case for most TPC wakeups. (This assumes 
an accurate cache-hot estimator, for which another patch exists.)

> Without any form of wake balancing, then a multiprocessor system will 
> tend to have a completely random distribution of tasks over CPUs over 
> time. I prefer to add a driver so it is not completely random for 
> amenable workloads.

but my patch does not do 'no form of wake balancing'. It will do 
non-load-related wake balancing if the target CPU is idle. Arguably, 
that can easily be 'never' under common workloads.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-28 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-27  1:24 better wake-balancing: respin Chen, Kenneth W
2005-10-28  7:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-10-28 22:34   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2005-10-28  9:17 ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-28 10:08   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-10-28 11:03     ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-28 14:37       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-10-28 15:04         ` Nick Piggin

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20051028143750.GA1806@elte.hu \
    --to=mingo@elte.hu \
    --cc=akpm@osdl.org \
    --cc=kenneth.w.chen@intel.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox