Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Ben Collins]

I used to have an UltraSPARC clone that needed the AT Keyboard. So, no, it's
not a mistake.

As far as your issue with the keyboard not working, did you enable
everything, like USB? What sort of ultrasparc is it?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 05:09:31PM -0300, Horst von Brand wrote:
> On my Sun I get the following offers:
> 
>    AT Keyboard
>    Sun types 4 and 5
>    DECstation LK201/LK401
>    XT keyboard
>    Newton keyboard
> 
> Unless I am very mistaken, only the second one applies?
> 
> Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
> running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).
> 
> Should I be looking elsewhere for SPARC support?
> 
> Thanks!
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SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Horst von Brand]

On my Sun I get the following offers:

   AT Keyboard
   Sun types 4 and 5
   DECstation LK201/LK401
   XT keyboard
   Newton keyboard

Unless I am very mistaken, only the second one applies?

Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).

Should I be looking elsewhere for SPARC support?

Thanks!
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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Fri, 2005-10-28 17:09:31 -0300, Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl> wrote:
> On my Sun I get the following offers:
> 
>    AT Keyboard
>    Sun types 4 and 5
>    DECstation LK201/LK401
>    XT keyboard
>    Newton keyboard
> 
> Unless I am very mistaken, only the second one applies?

Well, the LK[24]01 was used by DECstations and VAXstations (as well as
some VT terminals), you can use it with a simple adaptor on any
machine that has a RS232 serial port. For example, I'm using such a
keyboard on my Athlon-based PeeCee.

> Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
> running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).

Did the serial port register serio ports?

MfG, JBG

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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Horst von Brand]

Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 05:09:31PM -0300, Horst von Brand wrote:
> > On my Sun I get the following offers:
> > 
> >    AT Keyboard
> >    Sun types 4 and 5
> >    DECstation LK201/LK401
> >    XT keyboard
> >    Newton keyboard
> > 
> > Unless I am very mistaken, only the second one applies?

> I used to have an UltraSPARC clone that needed the AT Keyboard. So, no, it's
> not a mistake.

OK, sounds reasonable given the "PCs with SPARC CPU" that Sun made lately.

> > Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
> > running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).

> As far as your issue with the keyboard not working, did you enable
> everything, like USB?

No I did not.

>                       What sort of ultrasparc is it?

An Ultra 1 (yes, I know it is old and klunky, but I kind of like it...).
That is why I did not configure USB or PCI (they just aren't available).
Should that make a difference?
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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Horst von Brand]

Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-10-28 17:09:31 -0300, Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl> wrote:
> > On my Sun I get the following offers:
> > 
> >    AT Keyboard
> >    Sun types 4 and 5
> >    DECstation LK201/LK401
> >    XT keyboard
> >    Newton keyboard
> > 
> > Unless I am very mistaken, only the second one applies?
> 
> Well, the LK[24]01 was used by DECstations and VAXstations (as well as
> some VT terminals), you can use it with a simple adaptor on any
> machine that has a RS232 serial port. For example, I'm using such a
> keyboard on my Athlon-based PeeCee.

Does it need some kind of "serial keyboard configuration"? Wouldn't that
make more sense?

> > Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
> > running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).

> Did the serial port register serio ports?

How can I find this out?
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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Ben Collins]

> An Ultra 1 (yes, I know it is old and klunky, but I kind of like it...).
> That is why I did not configure USB or PCI (they just aren't available).
> Should that make a difference?

Nah, just make sure you have all the right sbus stuff enabled. Been awhile
since I did a kernel for an sbus sparc64 that wasn't headless, so I'm not
much help right now :)

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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Dmitry Torokhov]

On Friday 28 October 2005 19:06, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-10-28 17:09:31 -0300, Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl> wrote:
> > > On my Sun I get the following offers:
> > > 
> > >    AT Keyboard
> > >    Sun types 4 and 5
> > >    DECstation LK201/LK401
> > >    XT keyboard
> > >    Newton keyboard
> > > 
> > > Unless I am very mistaken, only the second one applies?
> > 
> > Well, the LK[24]01 was used by DECstations and VAXstations (as well as
> > some VT terminals), you can use it with a simple adaptor on any
> > machine that has a RS232 serial port. For example, I'm using such a
> > keyboard on my Athlon-based PeeCee.
> 
> Does it need some kind of "serial keyboard configuration"? Wouldn't that
> make more sense?
> 
> > > Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
> > > running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).
> 
> > Did the serial port register serio ports?
> 
> How can I find this out?

Just post your dmesg.. Or ssh into it and poke around /sys/bus/serio...
Sun keyboard can be autodetected AFAIK so you don't need to fiddle with
inputattach. Do you have sunsu or sunzilog drivers selected?
 
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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Fri, 2005-10-28 21:06:06 -0300, Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl> wrote:
> Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote:
> > Well, the LK[24]01 was used by DECstations and VAXstations (as well as
> > some VT terminals), you can use it with a simple adaptor on any
> > machine that has a RS232 serial port. For example, I'm using such a
> > keyboard on my Athlon-based PeeCee.
> 
> Does it need some kind of "serial keyboard configuration"? Wouldn't that
> make more sense?

Well, on the right hardware, the serio port gets a flag set by the
serial driver that it expects a keyboard on a given port.

On all other hardware, you need to call "inputattach" to do that for
you.

> > > Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the machine is
> > > running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no effect at all).
> 
> > Did the serial port register serio ports?
> 
> How can I find this out?

/sys/devices/serio*

MfG, JBG

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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Horst von Brand]

Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net> wrote:
> On Friday 28 October 2005 19:06, Horst von Brand wrote:
> > Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2005-10-28 17:09:31 -0300, Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl> wrote:

[...]

> > > > Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the
> > > > machine is running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no
> > > > effect at all).

> > > Did the serial port register serio ports?

> > How can I find this out?

> Just post your dmesg..

Nothing relevant I can see.

>                        Or ssh into it and poke around /sys/bus/serio...

Got /sys/sun/bus/serio/drivers/subkbd/ with several files inside

> Sun keyboard can be autodetected AFAIK so you don't need to fiddle with
> inputattach.

The setup works for the shipped Aurora kernel, but to compile that
configuration would take a few days...

>              Do you have sunsu or sunzilog drivers selected?

SUNZILOG is module, and is not loaded right now. No serials in use.
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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[David S. Miller]

From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:26:33 -0300

> > Sun keyboard can be autodetected AFAIK so you don't need to fiddle with
> > inputattach.
> 
> The setup works for the shipped Aurora kernel, but to compile that
> configuration would take a few days...

Do you try to load any keymaps at boot time?
Try to disable that.

Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Dmitry Torokhov]

On Saturday 29 October 2005 22:26, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > On Friday 28 October 2005 19:06, Horst von Brand wrote:
> > > Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2005-10-28 17:09:31 -0300, Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > > > Also, configuring this one gives a non-functional keyboard (the
> > > > > machine is running, I can log in over SSH, but keypresses have no
> > > > > effect at all).
> 
> > > > Did the serial port register serio ports?
> 
> > > How can I find this out?
> 
> > Just post your dmesg..
> 
> Nothing relevant I can see.
> 
> >                        Or ssh into it and poke around /sys/bus/serio...
> 
> Got /sys/sun/bus/serio/drivers/subkbd/ with several files inside
>

BUt nothing in /sys/bus/serio/devices, right? That means you don't have any
serial port drivers loaded so sunkbd does not have aport to attach to.

> > Sun keyboard can be autodetected AFAIK so you don't need to fiddle with
> > inputattach.
> 
> The setup works for the shipped Aurora kernel, but to compile that
> configuration would take a few days...
> 
> >              Do you have sunsu or sunzilog drivers selected?
> 
> SUNZILOG is module, and is not loaded right now. No serials in use.

Please try loading it (or compile it in).

-- 
Dmitry

Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[Horst von Brand]

David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:26:33 -0300
> 
> > > Sun keyboard can be autodetected AFAIK so you don't need to fiddle with
> > > inputattach.
> > 
> > The setup works for the shipped Aurora kernel, but to compile that
> > configuration would take a few days...

> Do you try to load any keymaps at boot time?
> Try to disable that.

Finally found the culprit: SERIAL_SUNZILOG can't be module (or has to be
loaded early, dunno). The Aurora setup tries to load keymaps, and disabling
that made no difference.

Thanks all for the help!
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Re: SPARC64: Configuration offers keyboards that don't make sense

[David S. Miller]

From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:21:46 -0300

> Finally found the culprit: SERIAL_SUNZILOG can't be module (or has to be
> loaded early, dunno).

If you want sunzilog to be modular, you have to make sure
the initrd loads it at the beginning of bootup if you want
to have a keyboard.

It's usually best to build it statically, which avoids all
of those complications.