From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, frankeh@watson.ibm.com,
haveblue@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH 00/13] Introduce task_pid api
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:35:13 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051114223513.3145db39.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051115051501.GA3252@IBM-BWN8ZTBWAO1>
Serge wrote:
> Well a vserver pretends to be a full system of its own
Do you have any references, links?
> In fact this is one way we considered implementing the virtual pids -
No no - not what I meant. I meant to have the pid be the same in all
views, for all time, kernel and user, inside and outside the virtual
server. Just like pids are now. A given virtual server would have
a dedicated range of pids, reserved for it on all hardware systems
in the farm.
You could move the tasks in one such virtual server from one hardware
system to another without having pid collisions because the destination
hardware system would have been reserving those pids all along for
that virtual server.
The additional kernel facilities this would require:
1) For a given task (inherited) designate which pid range to use for
newly forked children.
2) Restart a task into the same pid it had before, which would fail
if that pid was in use by any other task on the system.
Administratively, create named virtual servers, each one assigned
a permanent pid range. On each hardware system, each task would
be managed to be using pids for forking from the pid range for the
virtual server it was running in.
Perhaps each hardware system would have one pid range, say pids
0..2000, overlapping with all other such systems, for tasks specific
to that hardware system. These tasks could not be checkpoint/restarted
on another hardware system.
For example, the virtual server "magnolia" would always have pids
9,000 to 9,999, and all hardware systems in the server farm would
keep this pid range open for running "magnolia", if asked to. If you
saw a tasks pid was 9.543, then you would immediately know it ran
on virtual server "magnolia."
--
I won't rest till it's the best ...
Programmer, Linux Scalability
Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.925.600.0401
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Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-14 21:23 [RFC] [PATCH 00/13] Introduce task_pid api Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 01/13] Change pid accesses: drivers Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 02/13] Change pid accesses: most archs Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 03/13] Change pid accesses: filesystems Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 04/13] Change pid accesses: include/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 05/13] Change pid accesses: ipc Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 06/13] Change pid accesses: kernel/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 07/13] Change pid accesses: lib/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 08/13] Change pid accesses: mm/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 09/13] Change pid accesses: net/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 10/13] Change pid accesses: security/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 11/13] Change pid accesses: sound/ Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 12/13] Change pid accesses: ia64 and mips Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 23:08 ` Keith Owens
2005-11-16 11:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-16 13:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 21:23 ` [RFC] [PATCH 13/13] Define new task_pid api Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-14 23:36 ` [RFC] [PATCH 00/13] Introduce " Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 1:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 1:35 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 1:51 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 2:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 3:37 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 5:15 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 6:35 ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2005-11-15 8:11 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 9:06 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 10:07 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-15 18:10 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 11:59 ` Robin Holt
2005-11-15 13:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 14:37 ` Hubertus Franke
2005-11-15 18:39 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 18:54 ` Hubertus Franke
2005-11-15 19:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 19:17 ` Hubertus Franke
2005-11-15 22:11 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 23:15 ` Cedric Le Goater
2005-11-15 23:28 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 16:47 ` Greg KH
2005-11-15 17:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 17:33 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-15 5:51 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-13 15:22 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 19:36 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-11-16 20:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 20:48 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-19 23:30 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-20 22:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-12-07 14:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-20 23:29 ` Nix
2005-11-16 21:07 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-16 20:24 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-15 13:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 11:17 ` Robin Holt
2005-11-15 12:01 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-15 19:21 ` Ray Bryant
2005-11-15 19:41 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 20:30 ` Ray Bryant
2005-11-15 21:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-11-15 22:43 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-15 22:55 ` Cedric Le Goater
2005-11-16 1:12 ` Paul Jackson
2005-12-07 14:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-07 17:47 ` Dave Hansen
2005-12-07 17:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 18:09 ` Dave Hansen
2005-12-07 19:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-07 19:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-07 22:13 ` Dave Hansen
2005-12-07 22:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-12 10:55 ` Dave Airlie
2005-12-19 14:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-07 19:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-07 21:40 ` Dave Hansen
2005-12-07 22:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-12-14 15:23 ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-14 13:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-14 16:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2005-12-07 22:31 ` Dave Hansen
2005-12-07 22:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-08 5:42 ` Jeff Dike
2005-12-08 10:09 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-07 22:17 ` Cedric Le Goater
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2005-11-16 2:24 Hua Zhong (hzhong)
2005-11-16 17:52 ` Bernard Blackham
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