From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Tarkan Erimer <tarkane@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: what is our answer to ZFS?
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:34:34 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200511220034.34266.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051122004531.GA15189@elf.ucw.cz>
On Monday 21 November 2005 18:45, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> > Sun is proposing it can predict what storage layout will be efficient for
> > as yet unheard of quantities of data, with unknown access patterns, at
> > least a couple decades from now. It's also proposing that data
> > compression and checksumming are the filesystem's job. Hands up anybody
> > who spots conflicting trends here already? Who thinks the 128 bit
> > requirement came from marketing rather than the engineers?
>
> Actually, if you are storing information in single protons, I'd say
> you _need_ checksumming :-).
You need error correcting codes at the media level. A molecular storage
system like this would probably look a lot more like flash or dram than it
would magnetic media. (For one thing, I/O bandwidth and seek times become a
serious bottleneck with high density single point of access systems.)
> [I actually agree with Sun here, not trusting disk is good idea. At
> least you know kernel panic/oops/etc can't be caused by bit corruption on
> the disk.]
But who said the filesystem was the right level to do this at?
Rob
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-22 6:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-21 9:28 what is our answer to ZFS? Alfred Brons
2005-11-21 9:44 ` Paulo Jorge Matos
2005-11-21 9:59 ` Alfred Brons
2005-11-21 10:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-21 10:16 ` Andreas Happe
2005-11-21 11:30 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-11-21 10:19 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-21 11:46 ` Matthias Andree
2005-11-21 12:07 ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-11-21 13:18 ` Matthias Andree
2005-11-21 14:18 ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-11-21 14:41 ` Matthias Andree
2005-11-21 15:08 ` Kasper Sandberg
2005-11-22 8:52 ` Matthias Andree
2005-11-21 22:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-21 20:48 ` jdow
2005-11-22 11:17 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-21 11:59 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 7:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-22 10:28 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-22 14:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-11-22 15:25 ` Jan Harkes
2005-11-22 16:17 ` Chris Adams
2005-11-22 16:55 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-11-22 17:18 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-11-22 19:25 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-11-22 19:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-11-22 20:00 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-11-22 23:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-11-22 21:14 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-22 21:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-22 20:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 19:56 ` Chris Adams
2005-11-22 21:19 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-23 19:20 ` Generation numbers in stat was Re: what is slashdot's " Andi Kleen
2005-11-24 5:15 ` Chris Adams
2005-11-24 8:47 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-22 16:28 ` what is our " Theodore Ts'o
2005-11-22 17:37 ` Jan Harkes
2005-11-22 16:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-28 12:53 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-11-29 5:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-11-29 5:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-29 14:42 ` John Stoffel
2005-11-29 13:58 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 16:03 ` Chris Adams
2005-11-21 11:45 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-21 14:19 ` Tarkan Erimer
2005-11-21 18:52 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-21 19:28 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-21 20:02 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-22 5:42 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 9:25 ` Matthias Andree
2005-11-21 23:05 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-22 0:15 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-11-21 22:59 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-22 7:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-22 9:19 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-22 16:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-22 16:09 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-22 20:16 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-22 16:14 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-11-22 16:38 ` Steve Flynn
2005-11-22 7:15 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 8:16 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-11-22 0:45 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-22 6:34 ` Rob Landley [this message]
2005-11-22 19:05 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-22 9:20 ` Matthias Andree
2005-11-22 10:00 ` Tarkan Erimer
2005-11-22 15:46 ` Jan Dittmer
2005-11-22 16:27 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-21 18:17 ` Rob Landley
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