From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Max Krasnyansky <maxk@qualcomm.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, len.brown@intel.com,
nando@ccrma.stanford.edu, rlrevell@joe-job.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, paulmck@us.ibm.com, kr@cybsft.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, pluto@agmk.net, john.cooper@timesys.com,
bene@linutronix.de, dwalker@mvista.com,
trini@kernel.crashing.org, george@mvista.com, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Runtime switching of the idle function [take 2]
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 02:45:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051202014512.GH997@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <438FA2E4.80705@qualcomm.com>
> Also IMO saying that CPU will run too hot with idle=poll is basically
> saying that those
> CPUs cannot be used for simulations and stuff which run flat out for days
> (months actually).
> Which is obviously not true (again speaking from experience :)).
The CPUs can be used, but many cooling setups
(both AirCon in complete data centers, cooling in Blade Racks, laptops)
the cooling is now often designed to not cool
the maximum thermal output of all systems in parallel, but instead
throttle the systems when things get too hot. This usually
works because in most workloads systems are more often idle
than busy, so no throttling is needed.
On desktops it probably won't throttle, but just become noisy
when all the fans spin up.
All things you don't really want.
Super computing is different of course, but even there maximum
capacity of the air condition often limits how many CPUs you can buy.
And you need all the help you can get.
That said you're right that there is still a small niche
where idle=poll makes sense, but it's definitely nothing
that should be encouraged to be used regularly like that
original patch would.
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-02 1:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-15 9:08 2.6.14-rt13 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-15 16:36 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Mark Knecht
2005-11-15 19:57 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Paul E. McKenney
2005-11-16 3:48 ` 2.6.14-rt13 K.R. Foley
2005-11-16 8:40 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-16 17:02 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Paul E. McKenney
2005-11-18 18:02 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-18 21:54 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Lee Revell
2005-11-18 22:05 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-18 22:07 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-18 22:15 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Lee Revell
2005-11-18 22:25 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-18 23:36 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-18 23:57 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-18 22:41 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-19 2:39 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-24 15:07 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Ingo Molnar
2005-11-24 15:21 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Steven Rostedt
2005-11-25 20:56 ` [RFC][PATCH] Runtime switching to idle_poll (was: Re: 2.6.14-rt13) Steven Rostedt
2005-11-26 13:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-29 2:48 ` [RFC][PATCH] Runtime switching of the idle function [take 2] Steven Rostedt
2005-11-29 3:02 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-29 3:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-29 4:01 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-29 6:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-29 6:55 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-29 18:05 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 14:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-29 14:50 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 15:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-02 1:27 ` Max Krasnyansky
2005-12-02 1:45 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2005-12-03 2:17 ` Max Krasnyansky
2005-11-29 4:22 ` john stultz
2005-11-29 14:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-29 13:08 ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-18 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-18 22:13 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Lee Revell
2005-11-18 22:32 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Vojtech Pavlik
2005-11-19 2:28 ` 2.6.14-rt13 George Anzinger
2005-11-19 7:45 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Vojtech Pavlik
2005-11-19 18:27 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Lee Revell
2005-11-21 21:32 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-21 21:41 ` 2.6.14-rt13 john stultz
[not found] ` <20051121221511.GA7255@elte.hu>
2005-11-21 22:19 ` test time-warps [was: Re: 2.6.14-rt13] Ingo Molnar
2005-11-21 23:08 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-21 23:38 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-21 23:41 ` john stultz
2005-11-22 1:31 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 1:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-22 11:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-22 17:49 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-11-22 18:01 ` Christopher Friesen
2005-11-22 18:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-22 20:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-22 11:19 ` 2.6.14-rt13 Ingo Molnar
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-29 19:37 [RFC][PATCH] Runtime switching of the idle function [take 2] Brown, Len
2005-11-29 19:53 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 20:35 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-29 20:51 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-29 23:55 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-30 1:06 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-30 1:22 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-30 1:58 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-30 2:19 ` john stultz
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