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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Erik Slagter <erik@slagter.name>
Cc: Randy Dunlap <randy_d_dunlap@linux.intel.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	hch@infradead.org, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: RFC: ACPI/scsi/libata integration and hotswap
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:39:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051209103937.GE26185@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1134121522.27633.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, Dec 09 2005, Erik Slagter wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 13:31 -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> 
> > > It works just fine on laptops, with Jens' suspend/resume patch.
> > 
> > I have seen a few other people report that SATA suspend/resume
> > works when using Jens's patch.  However, this is done without
> > the benefit of what the additional ACPI methods provide thru
> > _GTF and writing those taskfiles, such as:
> > - enabling write cache
> > - enabling device power management
> > - freezing the security password
> > 
> > so even when it "works," those people may be missing some
> > performance benefits or power savings or security.
> > 
> > In any case, I'm glad to see some discussion of this.
> 
> IMHO available infrastructure (and hardware abstraction!) should be used
> instead of being stubborn and pretend we know everything about any
> hardware.

It's not about being stubborn, it's about maintaining and working on a
clean design. The developers have to do that, not the users. So forgive
people for being a little cautious about shuffling all sorts of ACPI
into the scsi core and/or drivers. We always need to think long term
here.

Users don't care about the maintainability and cleanliness of the code,
they really just want it to work. Which is perfectly understandable.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-09 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-08  3:02 RFC: ACPI/scsi/libata integration and hotswap Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08  9:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-08 13:26   ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08 13:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-08 13:39       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08 13:44         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-08 17:18           ` Erik Slagter
2005-12-08 20:43             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-08 21:03               ` Dominic Ijichi
2005-12-08 21:09                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-08 21:34                   ` Dominic Ijichi
2005-12-08 21:31               ` Randy Dunlap
2005-12-09  9:45                 ` Erik Slagter
2005-12-09 10:39                   ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2005-12-09 10:45                     ` Erik Slagter
2005-12-09 11:27                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-09 11:35                         ` Erik Slagter
2005-12-09 11:40                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-09 11:46                           ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-09 11:55                             ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-09 13:22                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-12-09 12:01                             ` Erik Slagter
2005-12-09 12:07                               ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-10  2:19                         ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-12-14 20:52                           ` [ACPI] " Matthew Wilcox
2005-12-09 11:30                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-09  3:28               ` Mark Lord
2005-12-09 11:29                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-10  4:01                   ` Mark Lord
2005-12-08 13:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-08 14:07           ` [ACPI] " Alan Cox
2005-12-08 14:14             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-08 14:30               ` Alan Cox
2005-12-08 14:43                 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08 14:53                   ` Alan Cox
2005-12-09 11:42                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-08 14:12           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08 14:01         ` Alan Cox
2005-12-08 14:18           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08 14:33             ` Alan Cox
2005-12-08 14:52               ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-08 14:55                 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-08 17:19                 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-09 11:42                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-09 11:49                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-09 11:52                       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-09 11:58                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-09 12:11                           ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-09 12:16                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-09 12:24                               ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-10  0:40                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-10  2:34                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-10  2:39                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-10  2:47                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-10  2:41                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-10  2:50                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-10  2:57                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-12-10  3:47                                           ` [ACPI] " Andrew Grover
2005-12-12  0:38                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-12-09 11:50                     ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-09 11:55                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-13 18:14 ` Randy Dunlap
2005-12-13 18:26   ` Matthew Garrett
2005-12-13 19:07     ` Randy Dunlap
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-12-08 13:57 Salyzyn, Mark

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