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From: Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>
To: Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	ajwade@cpe001346162bf9-cm0011ae8cd564.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Semantics of smp_mb() [was : Re: [PATCH] Fix RCU race in access of nohz_cpu_mask ]
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:11:13 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051212084112.GA3934@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18382.1134348547@ocs3.ocs.com.au>

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:49:07AM +1100, Keith Owens wrote:
> >On the contrary.  I did some digging and asking and thinking about this
> >for the Unreliable Guide to Kernel Locking, years ago:
> >
> >wmb() means all writes preceeding will complete before any writes
> >following are started.
> >rmb() means all reads preceeding will complete before any reads
> >following are started.
> >mb() means all reads and writes preceeding will complete before any
> >reads and writes following are started.
> 
> FWIW, wmb() on IA64 does not require that preceding stores are flushed
> to main memory.  It only requires that they be "made visible to other
> processors in the coherence domain".  "visible" means that the updated
> value must reach (at least) an externally snooped cache.  There is no
> requirement that the preceding stores be flushed all the way to main
> memory, the updates only have to get as far as a cache level that other
> cpus can see.  The cache snooping takes care of flushing to main memory
> when necessary.

For the context of the problem that we are dealing with, I think this fact
that writes are made "visible" to other CPUs (before smp_mb() finishes and 
before other reads are started) is good enough.

Oleg, with all these inputs, I consider the patch I had sent to be correct.
Let me know if you still have some lingering doubts!

P.S :- Thanks to everybody who reponded clarifying this subject.


-- 


Thanks and Regards,
Srivatsa Vaddagiri,
Linux Technology Center,
IBM Software Labs,
Bangalore, INDIA - 560017

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-12  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-08 19:31 [PATCH] Fix RCU race in access of nohz_cpu_mask Oleg Nesterov
2005-12-09  2:46 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2005-12-09 19:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2005-12-10 15:19     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2005-12-10 18:55       ` Oleg Nesterov
2005-12-11 17:41         ` Semantics of smp_mb() [was : Re: [PATCH] Fix RCU race in access of nohz_cpu_mask ] Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2005-12-11 21:21           ` Andrew James Wade
2005-12-11 23:45             ` Rusty Russell
2005-12-12  0:49               ` Keith Owens
2005-12-12  8:41                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri [this message]
2005-12-12 19:33                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2005-12-13  5:20                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-13  5:07               ` Andrew James Wade
2005-12-13  5:43                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-13 11:20                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-13 16:20                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-13 22:27                     ` Keith Owens
2005-12-13 22:50                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-14  1:12                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-14  1:46                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-15 21:15                       ` Semantics of smp_mb() Roland Dreier
2005-12-16  7:46                       ` Semantics of smp_mb() [was : Re: [PATCH] Fix RCU race in access of nohz_cpu_mask ] Jeremy Higdon
2006-03-13 18:39                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-03-31  4:56                           ` Jeremy Higdon
2006-03-31  6:18                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-03-31 23:38                             ` Jesse Barnes
2005-12-12  3:10         ` [PATCH] Fix RCU race in access of nohz_cpu_mask Paul E. McKenney
2005-12-12  4:32           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-12  4:38             ` David S. Miller
2005-12-12  4:47               ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-12  4:49             ` Paul Mackerras
2005-12-12  6:27             ` Keith Owens
2005-12-09  2:56 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri

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