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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] don't allow users to set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:01:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213200106.GC24094@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051213180551.GN23349@stusta.de>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 07:05:52PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 05:31:12PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > The defconfig files in arch/arm/configs are for platform configurations
> > and are provided by the platform maintainers as a _working_ configuration
> > for their platform.  They're not "defconfigs".  They got called
> > "defconfigs" as a result of the kbuild "cleanups".  Please don't confuse
> > them as such.
> > 
> > If, in order to have a working platform configuration, they deem that
> > CONFIG_BROKEN must be enabled, then that's the way it is.
> 
> if a working platform configuration configuration requires 
> CONFIG_BROKEN=y, the problem is a bug that should be fixed properly.

Maybe they're only broken for a small subset of platforms, and someone
added a BROKEN without properly considering whether it should be global
or not?

I don't disagree with the overall notion that CONFIG_BROKEN should not
be set _where_ _possible_.  However, if it needs to be set to get the
required options, then that's what needs to happen until such time that
the above is corrected.

However - and now to the main bug bear - how can we tell what is really
broken if you _just_ change the default configuration file settings for
CONFIG_BROKEN?  What happens is that, on review, we see a simple change.
We'd assume that it has little impact, and we accept that change.

Maybe a month or two down the line, someone whines that their platform
doesn't work for some reason, and it's tracked down to this and the
resulting fallout from disabling CONFIG_BROKEN.

That means that the original review was _worthless_.  It wasn't a
review at all.

So, what I am trying to get across is the need to show the _full_ set
of changes to a default configuratoin when you disable CONFIG_BROKEN,
which is trivially producable if you run the script I've already posted.

You can even use that in conjunction with your present patch to produce
a patch which shows _exactly_ _everything_ which changes as a result of
disabling CONFIG_BROKEN.  Surely giving reviewers the _full_ story is
far better than half a story, and should be something that any change
to the kernel strives for.

If not, what's the point of the original change?

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
 maintainer of:  2.6 Serial core

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-12-13 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-11 18:52 [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:21 ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:31   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:44     ` Russell King
2005-12-13  0:10       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 13:34         ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 14:00           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 17:31             ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:38               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 19:53                 ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:09                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05               ` [2.6 patch] don't allow users to " Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:28                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:51                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:59                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 20:01                 ` Russell King [this message]
2005-12-13 20:19                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 22:01                     ` Russell King
2005-12-12  9:38     ` [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't " David Woodhouse
2005-12-13  0:05       ` [RFC: 2.6 patch] no longer mark MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS as BROKEN and remove broken MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS drivers Adrian Bunk
2005-12-14 11:50       ` [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y Richard Purdie
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-06 17:35 [2.6 patch] don't allow users to " Adrian Bunk
2006-01-06 17:41 ` Russell King
2006-01-06 17:54   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-06 17:49 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06 18:06   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-06 18:26     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06 18:39       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-06 18:58         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-06 19:14       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-06 21:11     ` David Lang
2006-01-06 22:37       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-06 22:39         ` David Lang
2006-01-06 22:53           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-06 22:25   ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-19  1:40 Adrian Bunk

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