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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: 7eggert@gmx.de
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] i386: always use 4k stacks
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:28:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051218122818.GB23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1EnrYH-00019M-Ep@be1.lrz>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 06:57:44AM +0100, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> wrote:
> 
> > I'm with you that we need a safety net, but I don't see a problem with
> > this being between 3kB and 4kB. The goal should be to _never_ use more
> > than 3kB stack having a 1kB safety net.
> > 
> > And in my experience, many stack problems don't come from code getting
> > more complex but from people allocating 1kB structs or arrays of
> > > 2k chars on the stack. In these cases, the code has to be fixed and
> > "make checkstack" makes it easy to find such cases.
> > 
> > And as a data point, my count of bug reports for problems with in-kernel
> > code with 4k stacks after Neil's patch went into -mm is still at 0.
> 
> Would you run a desktop with an nfs server on xfs on lvm on dm on SCSI?
> Or a productive server on -mm?
> 
> IMO it's OK to push 4K stacks in -mm, but one week of no error reports from
> a few testers don't make a reliable system.
> [...]

It isn't that 4k stacks were completely untested.

Fedore enables it for a long time.

Even RHEL4 always uses 4k stacks - and RHEL is a distribution many 
people use on their production servers.

> > Unfortunately, "is not really something to encourage" doesn'a make
> > "happens in real-life applications" impossible...
> 
> The same applies to using kernel stack. Therefore I'll want to choose
> a bigger stack for my server, which runs less than 100 processes.

You can always manually adjust THREAD_SIZE if you really want to, but 
there should be no reason to do so.

There are so many possible programming errors in kernel code, and stack 
usage problems are amongst the ones you can find relatively easy...

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-18 12:28 UTC|newest]

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2005-12-18  5:57               ` [2.6 patch] i386: always use 4k stacks Bodo Eggert
2005-12-18 12:28                 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-12-18 13:44                   ` Michael Poole
2005-12-18 14:12                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-11 23:26 Joshua Hudson
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2005-12-23 10:12   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-23 10:29     ` Eric Dumazet
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2005-12-23 10:44       ` Sean
2005-12-23 13:59     ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-23 23:08     ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-24  1:06     ` Horst von Brand
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2005-12-20 19:53 Parag Warudkar
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2005-12-20 20:03     ` Sean
2005-12-20 20:27 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-20 22:08 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-20 19:08 Parag Warudkar
2005-12-20 19:25 ` David Lang
2005-12-20 21:37 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-18 10:49 Stefan Rompf
2005-12-18 12:06 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-17  6:53 Alex Davis
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2005-12-17  0:17 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-18 23:10   ` Neil Brown
2005-12-16 15:36 Matt Reuther
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2005-12-16 11:05   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-16 12:22     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-12-16 18:08     ` Dave Jones
2005-12-17 10:26       ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-16 19:25     ` Lee Revell
2005-12-17  3:47       ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-12-16  8:48 ` Alex Davis
2005-12-16  9:38   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16 14:45     ` Alex Davis
2005-12-16 15:11       ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16  5:20 Alex Davis
2005-12-16  5:29 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  6:16   ` Alex Davis
2005-12-16  7:41     ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-16  7:43     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16  7:53     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16  8:02     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-27 21:03     ` David Weinehall
2005-12-27 22:26       ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-16  8:10 ` Matt Domsch
2005-12-15 21:24 Adrian Bunk
2005-12-15 22:00 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-15 20:42   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 22:30   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-15 21:07     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 23:14       ` Lee Revell
2005-12-15 21:46         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 23:26           ` Lee Revell
2005-12-15 22:04             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 23:36               ` Ismail Donmez
2005-12-16  0:08               ` Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:08:02 +0100
2005-12-15 22:51                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-16  0:57                 ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-16  0:38               ` Alan Cox
2005-12-16 14:39             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-16 14:49               ` Xavier Bestel
2005-12-16 15:01               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 18:42               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-16 18:53                 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-12-16 18:53                 ` Brian Gerst
2005-12-16 19:02                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 19:14                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-12-16 18:55                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-17  0:16                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-19  9:40                     ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-16 19:26                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-16 21:08                   ` David Lang
2005-12-16 21:35                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-19  9:02               ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-16  0:37         ` Ray Lee
2005-12-19  8:55           ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-15 23:15     ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  0:47       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16  0:50         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  2:56           ` Neil Brown
2005-12-16  3:06             ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16 12:18             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 19:03               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-19  0:45               ` Neil Brown
2005-12-19  1:34                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-19 11:40                   ` Jörn Engel
2005-12-16  1:15         ` Nathan Scott
2005-12-16  1:37           ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  1:49     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 14:12       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 13:10   ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-16 14:04     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 15:35       ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-16 15:49         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16 16:23           ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-16 20:02             ` Alan Cox
2005-12-16 20:08               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 18:18           ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-12-16 18:36             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 19:32               ` Mike Snitzer
2005-12-16 19:46                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 21:28                   ` Mike Snitzer
2005-12-16 21:49                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 21:50                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 22:14                       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-17 17:44           ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-17 20:16             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-17 20:23               ` Paul Rolland
2005-12-17 20:47                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-17 20:52             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18  2:35               ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-18  5:03               ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-18  5:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-18  6:05                   ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-18 15:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 15:59                       ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 11:09                     ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-19 16:22                       ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 17:43                         ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-12-19 19:10                           ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 19:27                             ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-12-19 20:17                               ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 20:34                                 ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-12-20  1:24                                   ` Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:24:16 +0100
2005-12-20 14:28                                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-20 17:56                                   ` David Lang
2005-12-20 18:09                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-20 18:49                                       ` David Lang
2005-12-21 11:12                                       ` Sander
2005-12-21 20:03                                         ` Jeffrey Hundstad
2005-12-20 18:12                                     ` Adrian Bunk
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2005-12-20 18:12                                       ` Sean
2005-12-20 18:23                                     ` Dave Jones
2005-12-20 12:58                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-20 14:35                             ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-18 15:44                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 12:09                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 15:49                   ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-18 15:57                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 16:04                       ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-16 15:58         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 16:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-11 18:05 Adrian Bunk
2005-12-15 22:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-12-15 23:12   ` Ismail Donmez
2005-12-16  3:51     ` Puneet Vyas
2005-12-16  7:55       ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-19  9:27         ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-19  9:27       ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-15 23:13   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-16  0:36   ` Alan Cox
2005-12-05 21:45 Alex Davis
2005-12-05 23:45 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-05 21:35 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-30 13:16 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 22:34 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-17 12:31 Kenneth Parrish
2005-11-17 12:17 Kenneth Parrish
2005-11-30 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-30 11:49   ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16  2:03 Kenneth Parrish
2005-11-16 18:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-15 23:41 Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:41:11 +0100
2005-11-15 23:56 ` Parag Warudkar
2005-11-16  6:54   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16  9:04 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-16 18:34   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-16 20:38   ` Krzysztof Halasa
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2005-11-15  4:08                 ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  3:56                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  4:31                     ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  4:11                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  9:31                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-15  9:45                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:36                           ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-15 19:49                             ` Meelis Roos
2005-11-15 16:39                           ` Cal Peake
2005-11-17 19:32                     ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-11-18 13:06                   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-11-18 18:37                     ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-11-15  1:02         ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  2:07           ` Lee Revell
2005-11-15  2:22             ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  3:27             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15  3:28             ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15  3:26               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  5:06                 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15  6:19                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  6:52                     ` Neil Brown
2005-11-15  6:47                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15 13:18                         ` Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:18:51 +0100
2005-11-15 13:24                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:46                             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 18:55                               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-15 22:27                                 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 23:20                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-18 11:40                                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-18 19:51                                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-18 23:32                                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-17 19:25                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-17 21:34                                   ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-19  1:33                                 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19  2:02                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-11-19  2:43                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19  3:22                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-11-19  3:38                                         ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19  5:26                                           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-17 14:11                               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-18 19:27                     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-18 20:05                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-14 13:38 Alex Davis
2005-11-14 14:49 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14 18:02   ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 18:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 18:18     ` Dave Jones
2005-11-14 18:22       ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 18:29         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 18:38           ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 19:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 19:28             ` Michael Buesch
2005-11-14 21:16               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-14 20:27     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-16  0:50       ` Alex Davis
2005-11-16  4:05         ` Cal Peake
2005-11-16  8:03         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16  8:34           ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-16  9:19             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-16 10:18           ` Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:18:12 +0100
2005-11-16 10:40             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 12:57               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 13:51                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 14:42                   ` jmerkey
2005-11-16 15:18                     ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 15:30                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-16 15:38                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 16:10                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 18:45                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-16 19:03                             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-11-16 19:08                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 20:46                               ` Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:46:05 +0100
2005-11-17  2:01                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-17  0:06                             ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 22:50                               ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-16 22:54                                 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-17  0:28                                   ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-17  4:06                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-17  0:31                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-17  4:05                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-14 18:29   ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-14 19:00     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-14 19:18       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-11-14 19:47         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-14 22:33     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14 22:14       ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 15:12     ` Paulo Marques
2005-11-15  1:09   ` Alex Davis
2005-11-14  2:11 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-14  7:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 10:20 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 10:31   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 10:39     ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 11:11     ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:19       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 11:24         ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:27           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 11:34             ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:53               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 12:00                 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 12:04                 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-14 12:58                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-15  0:32                   ` Mike Christie
2005-11-15  0:55                     ` Mike Christie
2005-11-15  0:58                     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-15  2:42                       ` Mike Christie

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