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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Parag Warudkar <kernel-stuff@comcast.net>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] i386: always use 4k stacks
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:57:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051218155737.GG23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2C3FD086-5582-4697-AB9F-578C80BA5811@comcast.net>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:49:31AM -0500, Parag Warudkar wrote:
> 
> On Dec 18, 2005, at 7:09 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >There is no workload where 8kB suits better.
> 
> People have pointed out that there is currently at least one  
> incompatibility introduced by 4K stacks and there may be many others  

That's wrong.

My count of bug reports for problems with 4k stacks with in-kernel code 
after Neil's patch went into -mm is still at 0.

> which are corner cases, that only occur under high load in obscure  
> exceptional circumstances with large configurations and suitable  
> nesting.

And this is not that much of an issue since most of these cases can and 
have already been analyzed by static analysis to be below 3 kB stack 
usage.

> Moreover for 64 bit architectures there is no proven point that 4Kb  
> stacks are solving a specific problem there (Like the lowmem  
> fragmentation on i386 for e.g.). Nor can we predict for sure that in  
> future no type of functionality will require more stack. So taking  
> away 8Kb stack size on such arches solves no known problems and  
> introduces artificial limitations on code complexity.
>...

That's complete bullshit considering that we are talking about an
i386-only patch.

> Parag

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-18 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 275+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-15 21:24 [2.6 patch] i386: always use 4k stacks Adrian Bunk
2005-12-15 22:00 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-15 20:42   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 22:30   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-15 21:07     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 23:14       ` Lee Revell
2005-12-15 21:46         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 23:26           ` Lee Revell
2005-12-15 22:04             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-15 23:36               ` Ismail Donmez
2005-12-16  0:08               ` Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:08:02 +0100
2005-12-15 22:51                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-16  0:57                 ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-16  0:38               ` Alan Cox
2005-12-16 14:39             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-16 14:49               ` Xavier Bestel
2005-12-16 15:01               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 18:42               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-16 18:53                 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-12-16 18:53                 ` Brian Gerst
2005-12-16 19:02                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 19:14                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-12-16 18:55                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-17  0:16                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-19  9:40                     ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-16 19:26                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-16 21:08                   ` David Lang
2005-12-16 21:35                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-19  9:02               ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-16  0:37         ` Ray Lee
2005-12-19  8:55           ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-15 23:15     ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  0:47       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16  0:50         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  2:56           ` Neil Brown
2005-12-16  3:06             ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16 12:18             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 19:03               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-19  0:45               ` Neil Brown
2005-12-19  1:34                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-19 11:40                   ` Jörn Engel
2005-12-16  1:15         ` Nathan Scott
2005-12-16  1:37           ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  1:49     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 14:12       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 13:10   ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-16 14:04     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 15:35       ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-16 15:49         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16 16:23           ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-16 20:02             ` Alan Cox
2005-12-16 20:08               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 18:18           ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-12-16 18:36             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 19:32               ` Mike Snitzer
2005-12-16 19:46                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 21:28                   ` Mike Snitzer
2005-12-16 21:49                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-16 21:50                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 22:14                       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-17 17:44           ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-17 20:16             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-17 20:23               ` Paul Rolland
2005-12-17 20:47                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-17 20:52             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18  2:35               ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-18  5:03               ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-18  5:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-18  6:05                   ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-18 15:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 15:59                       ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 11:09                     ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-19 16:22                       ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 17:43                         ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-12-19 19:10                           ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 19:27                             ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-12-19 20:17                               ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-19 20:34                                 ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-12-20  1:24                                   ` Tue, 20 Dec 2005 02:24:16 +0100
2005-12-20 14:28                                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-20 17:56                                   ` David Lang
2005-12-20 18:09                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-20 18:49                                       ` David Lang
2005-12-21 11:12                                       ` Sander
2005-12-21 20:03                                         ` Jeffrey Hundstad
2005-12-20 18:12                                     ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                                     ` <55454.10.10.10.28.1135102356.squirrel@linux1>
2005-12-20 18:12                                       ` Sean
2005-12-20 18:23                                     ` Dave Jones
2005-12-20 12:58                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-20 14:35                             ` Felix Oxley
2005-12-18 15:44                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 12:09                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 15:49                   ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-18 15:57                     ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-12-18 16:04                       ` Parag Warudkar
2005-12-16 15:58         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-16 16:46     ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]       ` <170fa0d20512160902g26eefc2eua519617d3e760de@mail.gmail.com>
2005-12-16 17:17         ` Fwd: " Mike Snitzer
2005-12-16 19:59           ` Alan Cox
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2006-02-11 23:26 Joshua Hudson
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2005-12-23 10:12   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-23 10:29     ` Eric Dumazet
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2005-12-23 10:44       ` Sean
2005-12-23 13:59     ` Diego Calleja
2005-12-23 23:08     ` Pavel Machek
2005-12-24  1:06     ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-20 19:53 Parag Warudkar
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2005-12-20 20:03     ` Sean
2005-12-20 20:27 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-20 22:08 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-20 19:08 Parag Warudkar
2005-12-20 19:25 ` David Lang
2005-12-20 21:37 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-18 10:49 Stefan Rompf
2005-12-18 12:06 ` Alan Cox
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2005-12-18  5:57               ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-18 12:28                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-18 13:44                   ` Michael Poole
2005-12-18 14:12                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-17  6:53 Alex Davis
     [not found] <200512161903.jBGJ3EnR003647@quelen.inf.utfsm.cl>
2005-12-17  0:17 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-18 23:10   ` Neil Brown
2005-12-16 15:36 Matt Reuther
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2005-12-16 11:05   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-16 12:22     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-12-16 18:08     ` Dave Jones
2005-12-17 10:26       ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-16 19:25     ` Lee Revell
2005-12-17  3:47       ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-12-16  8:48 ` Alex Davis
2005-12-16  9:38   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16 14:45     ` Alex Davis
2005-12-16 15:11       ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16  5:20 Alex Davis
2005-12-16  5:29 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-16  6:16   ` Alex Davis
2005-12-16  7:41     ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-16  7:43     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16  7:53     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-16  8:02     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-27 21:03     ` David Weinehall
2005-12-27 22:26       ` Michael Buesch
2005-12-16  8:10 ` Matt Domsch
2005-12-11 18:05 Adrian Bunk
2005-12-15 22:57 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-12-15 23:12   ` Ismail Donmez
2005-12-16  3:51     ` Puneet Vyas
2005-12-16  7:55       ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-19  9:27         ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-19  9:27       ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-15 23:13   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-16  0:36   ` Alan Cox
2005-12-05 21:45 Alex Davis
2005-12-05 23:45 ` Helge Hafting
2005-12-05 21:35 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-30 13:16 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 22:34 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-17 12:31 Kenneth Parrish
2005-11-17 12:17 Kenneth Parrish
2005-11-30 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-30 11:49   ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16  2:03 Kenneth Parrish
2005-11-16 18:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-15 23:41 Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:41:11 +0100
2005-11-15 23:56 ` Parag Warudkar
2005-11-16  6:54   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16  9:04 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-16 18:34   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-16 20:38   ` Krzysztof Halasa
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2005-11-15  4:08                 ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  3:56                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  4:31                     ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  4:11                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  9:31                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-15  9:45                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:36                           ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-15 19:49                             ` Meelis Roos
2005-11-15 16:39                           ` Cal Peake
2005-11-17 19:32                     ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-11-18 13:06                   ` Bodo Eggert
2005-11-18 18:37                     ` Bill Davidsen
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2005-11-15  1:02         ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  2:07           ` Lee Revell
2005-11-15  2:22             ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-15  3:27             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15  3:28             ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15  3:26               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  5:06                 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-15  6:19                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15  6:52                     ` Neil Brown
2005-11-15  6:47                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-15 13:18                         ` Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:18:51 +0100
2005-11-15 13:24                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-15 16:46                             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 18:55                               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-15 22:27                                 ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 23:20                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-18 11:40                                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-18 19:51                                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-18 23:32                                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-17 19:25                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-17 21:34                                   ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-19  1:33                                 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19  2:02                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-11-19  2:43                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19  3:22                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-11-19  3:38                                         ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19  5:26                                           ` Dave Jones
2005-11-17 14:11                               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-18 19:27                     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-18 20:05                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-14 13:38 Alex Davis
2005-11-14 14:49 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14 18:02   ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 18:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 18:18     ` Dave Jones
2005-11-14 18:22       ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 18:29         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 18:38           ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-14 19:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-14 19:28             ` Michael Buesch
2005-11-14 21:16               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-14 20:27     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-16  0:50       ` Alex Davis
2005-11-16  4:05         ` Cal Peake
2005-11-16  8:03         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16  8:34           ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-16  9:19             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-16 10:18           ` Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:18:12 +0100
2005-11-16 10:40             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 12:57               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 13:51                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 14:42                   ` jmerkey
2005-11-16 15:18                     ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 15:30                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-16 15:38                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 16:10                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 18:45                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-16 19:03                             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-11-16 19:08                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-16 20:46                               ` Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:46:05 +0100
2005-11-17  2:01                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-17  0:06                             ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-16 22:50                               ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-16 22:54                                 ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2005-11-17  0:28                                   ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-17  4:06                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-17  0:31                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-17  4:05                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-11-14 18:29   ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-14 19:00     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-14 19:18       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-11-14 19:47         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-14 22:33     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-14 22:14       ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-11-15 15:12     ` Paulo Marques
2005-11-15  1:09   ` Alex Davis
2005-11-14  2:11 Adrian Bunk
2005-11-14  7:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 10:20 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 10:31   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 10:39     ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 11:11     ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:19       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 11:24         ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:27           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 11:34             ` Jens Axboe
2005-11-14 11:53               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-14 12:00                 ` Pierre Ossman
2005-11-14 12:04                 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-14 12:58                   ` Alan Cox
2005-11-15  0:32                   ` Mike Christie
2005-11-15  0:55                     ` Mike Christie
2005-11-15  0:58                     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-15  2:42                       ` Mike Christie

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