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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Ben Collins <ben.collins@ubuntu.com>
Cc: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	greg@kroah.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] block: Better CDROMEJECT
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:16:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051220141614.GK3734@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1135087637.16754.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, Dec 20 2005, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 14:39 +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > Should be an easy check to add. In fact, I'll resend both patches with
> > > that in place if you want.
> > 
> > There's still the quirky problem of forcing a locked tray out. In some
> > cases this is what you want, if things get stuck for some reason or
> > another. But usually the tray is locked for a good reason, because there
> > are active users of the device.
> > 
> > Say two processes has the cdrom open, one of them doing io (maybe even
> > writing!), the other could do a CDROMEJECT now and force the ejection of
> > a busy drive.
> 
> But that's possible now with "eject -s" as long as you have write access
> to it. Most users are using "eject -s" anyway.
> 
> You can't stop this from happening. However, the fact is that a lot of
> devices (iPod's being the most popular) require this to work.

Well just because it (unfortunately) is already done by some other path,
doesn't make it a good idea by default and necessarily a reason to
further such bad principles.

The only way to really fix this would be requiring programs issuing
direct commands to a device to have it opened O_EXCL (and making sure
this actually works, right now it doesn't).

In reality, we are probably screwed :/

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-20 14:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-20  2:51 [RFC] Let non-root users eject their ipods? john stultz
2005-12-20  3:51 ` Wakko Warner
2005-12-20  3:49   ` john stultz
2005-12-20  5:05     ` Matthew Dharm
2005-12-24 21:16   ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-12-20  5:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-20  6:06   ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-12-20  8:56     ` Sander
2005-12-20  9:31       ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-12-20  9:38         ` Sander
2005-12-20 16:39           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-20 11:10         ` Nikita Danilov
2005-12-20  7:46 ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-20 12:41   ` Ben Collins
2005-12-20 13:28     ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-20 13:32       ` Ben Collins
2005-12-20 13:39         ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-20 14:07           ` [PATCH] block: Better CDROMEJECT Ben Collins
2005-12-20 14:16             ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2005-12-20 20:41             ` john stultz
2005-12-20 20:54               ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-20 20:55                 ` john stultz
2005-12-20 20:58                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-12-20 20:58                     ` john stultz
2005-12-20 20:55               ` Ben Collins
2005-12-20 16:48           ` [RFC] Let non-root users eject their ipods? Bill Davidsen
2005-12-22 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-22 16:57   ` john stultz
2005-12-24 21:17   ` Jan Engelhardt

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