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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@infradead.org>,
	Jes Sorensen <jes@trained-monkey.org>,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [patch 3/3] mutex subsystem: move the core to the new atomic helpers
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:16:37 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051222011637.GA1639@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051221231218.GA6747@elte.hu>

On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 12:12:18AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org> wrote:
> 
> > This patch moves the core mutex code over to the atomic helpers from 
> > previous patch.  There is no change for i386 and x86_64, except for 
> > the forced unlock state that is now done outside the spinlock (doing 
> > so doesn't matter since another CPU could have locked the mutex right 
> > away even if it was unlocked inside the spinlock).  This however 
> > brings great improvements on ARM for example.
> 
> i'm wondering how much difference it makes on ARM - could you show us 
> the before and after disassembly of the fastpath, to see the 
> improvement?
> 
> your patches look OK to me, only one small detail sticks out: i'd 
> suggest to rename the atomic_*_contended macros to be arch_mutex_*_..., 
> i dont think any other code can make use of it. Also, it would be nice 
> to see the actual ARM patches as well, which make use of the new 
> infrastructure.

I'm personally a little worried about the recent proliferation of
atomic_*.

My take on atomic_* functions has always been: a "sensible" arch [1]
implements the functionality in a single atomic instruction and this
simply exposes that instruction at the C level which otherwise lacks
appropriate semantics.

So functions like atomic_dec_call_if_negative seem a) excessively
special purpose b) not fundamental in the
ought-to-be-a-single-instruction sense c) a bit out of place in the in
the atomic_* set. These might even encourage people to roll their own
special-purpose locking primitives and we have way too many of those
already.

[1] In Linus' famous sense of what an ideal architecture should look like

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-22  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-21 15:54 [patch 0/8] mutex subsystem, ANNOUNCE Ingo Molnar
2005-12-21 16:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-21 18:07 ` Jes Sorensen
2005-12-22  2:36   ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  2:57     ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  7:19     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22  7:56       ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  8:00         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-22  8:10           ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  8:21             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-22  8:32               ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  8:24         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22  8:37           ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-21 22:43 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-21 22:43 ` [patch 1/3] mutex subsystem: fix additions to the ARM atomic.h Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-21 22:44 ` [patch 2/3] mutex subsystem: add new atomic primitives Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-21 22:44 ` [patch 3/3] mutex subsystem: move the core to the new atomic helpers Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-21 23:12   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-22  1:16     ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2005-12-22  6:50     ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22  6:51     ` [patch 2/5] mutex subsystem: add architecture specific mutex primitives Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22  7:44       ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  8:03         ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-22  6:52     ` [patch 1/5] mutex subsystem: fix asm-arm/atomic.h Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22  6:53     ` [patch 3/5] mutex subsystem: move the core to the new atomic helpers Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22  6:53     ` [patch 4/5] mutex subsystem: allow architecture defined fast path for mutex_lock_interruptible Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-22  6:53     ` [patch 5/5] mutex subsystem: allow for the fast path to be inlined Nicolas Pitre

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