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From: Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>
To: Tim Tassonis <timtas@cubic.ch>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: State of the Union: Wireless
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:16:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200601100816.26975.chase.venters@clientec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43C3AAE2.1090900@cubic.ch>

On Tuesday 10 January 2006 06:38, Tim Tassonis wrote:
> This is exactly the opposite of what Linus proposes in his management
> style document: "Avoid making decisions". At the moment, nobody seems to
> know what the "right" direction is, because the right direction is the
> one that will produce the better wireless support, and not the one that
> sounds better at the moment.

I won't try to speak for Linus (perhaps he'd like to pipe up at some point), 
but I think you're pulling that concept wayy out of context here.

Quoting ManagementStyle:

> Btw, another way to avoid a decision is to plaintively just whine "can't
> we just do both?" and look pitiful.  Trust me, it works.  If it's not
> clear which approach is better, they'll eventually figure it out.  The
> answer may end up being that both teams get so frustrated by the
> situation that they just give up.

Built into that paragraph, I think, is the assumption that you never 'do 
both'. 

Also, referring to OSS/Alsa is just a great way to illustrate the problem with 
your idea. There is, today, finally a "dominant" solution, but how long did 
it take us to get there? By my count, a really long time! And along the way 
we've had to deal with all kinds of applications that just support the first 
and not the other. And it seems like far too many people still have just one 
foot in the door - take for instance the README files shipped with commercial 
game ports that advise using OSS at the first hint of trouble with Alsa.

Is this what we want for wireless?

>
> Tim
>

Chase

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-10 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-10 12:38 State of the Union: Wireless Tim Tassonis
2006-01-10 12:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-10 13:34   ` Tim Tassonis
2006-01-10 14:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-10 16:07       ` Tim Tassonis
2006-01-10 16:31         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-10 16:17       ` Tim Tassonis
2006-01-11 20:37       ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-14  9:43         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-10 14:16 ` Chase Venters [this message]
     [not found] ` <mailman.1136898727.7233.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-11  0:03   ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-11  0:29     ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found] <1136541243.4037.18.camel@localhost>
2006-01-06 11:00 ` [Bcm43xx-dev] [Fwd: State of the Union: Wireless] Michael Buesch
2006-01-06 16:04   ` State of the Union: Wireless Mike Kershaw
     [not found] <5rRp0-4X1-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-06  5:39 ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-06  6:42   ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-06 10:26   ` Alistair John Strachan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-06  4:22 Jeff Garzik
2006-01-06 11:31 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-06 11:46   ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-01-06 12:26     ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-06 12:48     ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-06 12:53       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-07 14:49   ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-10 13:18     ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-10  6:39 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-01-10  8:36   ` Chase Venters

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