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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Keyrings] Re: [PATCH 01/04] Add multi-precision-integer maths library
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 00:18:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060129231853.GZ3777@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1138540148.3002.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 02:09:08PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> 
> > 
> > You are taking the wrong approach.
> > 
> > The _only_ question that matters is:
> > Why is it technically impossible to do the same in userspace?
> > 
> > If it's technically possible to do the same in userspace, it must not be 
> > done in the kernel.
> 
> 
> that is not a reasonable statement because...
> 1) you can do all of tcp/ip in userspace just fine
> 2) you can do the NFS server in userspace
> 3) ...
> 4) ...
> 
> there are reasons why things that can be done in userspace sometimes
> still make sense to do in kernel space, performance could be one of
> those reasons, being unreasonably complex in userspace is another.

Agreed, my sentence was too general.

> Identity management to some degree belongs in the kernel, simply because
> identity *enforcing* is in the kernel. Some things related to security
> need to be in the kernel at least partially just to avoid a LOT of hairy
> issues and never ending series of security holes due to the exceptional
> complexity you get.

OK, this sounds reasonable in the cases where the enforcing is actually 
in the kernel (but not in the backup daemon example from this thread).

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-29 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-26 21:58 [PATCH 00/04] Add DSA key type David Härdeman
2006-01-26 21:58 ` [PATCH 02/04] Add dsa crypto ops David Härdeman
2006-01-26 21:58 ` [PATCH 03/04] Add encryption ops to the keyctl syscall David Härdeman
2006-01-26 21:58 ` [PATCH 01/04] Add multi-precision-integer maths library David Härdeman
2006-01-27  9:28   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-01-27 20:07     ` David Howells
2006-01-27 20:41       ` David Härdeman
2006-01-27 22:19         ` [Keyrings] " Trond Myklebust
2006-01-27 23:35           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-28  0:27             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-28  3:45             ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-28  7:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-28 10:39                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-28  0:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-28 10:46           ` David Härdeman
2006-01-28 13:03             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-28 17:09               ` David Härdeman
2006-01-28 16:37             ` [Keyrings] " Trond Myklebust
2006-01-28 16:57               ` David Härdeman
2006-01-29  3:20                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 11:33                   ` David Härdeman
2006-01-29 12:29                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-29 13:09                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-29 20:05                         ` Steve French
2006-01-29 20:52                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-29 21:41                             ` Steve French
2006-02-06 12:31                             ` David Howells
2006-01-29 23:18                         ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2006-01-29 13:18                       ` David Härdeman
2006-01-29 23:36                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-30 18:09                           ` Nix
2006-01-29 16:38                     ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 18:49                       ` Dax Kelson
2006-01-29 19:10                         ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 21:29                           ` David Härdeman
2006-01-29 21:46                             ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 21:13                       ` David Härdeman
2006-01-29 21:28                         ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 22:02                           ` David Härdeman
2006-01-29 22:05                             ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 22:54                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-29 23:07                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-01-29 23:15                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-29 21:09             ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-26 21:58 ` [PATCH 04/04] Add dsa key type David Härdeman
2006-01-27  1:10 ` [PATCH 00/04] Add DSA " Herbert Xu
2006-01-27  7:18   ` David Härdeman
2006-01-27 20:11     ` David Howells
2006-01-27 23:22       ` Herbert Xu

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