From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: dipankar@in.ibm.com, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: RCU latency regression in 2.6.16-rc1
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:11:56 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060130051156.GK16585@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43DD9C49.4000000@cosmosbay.com>
On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 05:55:37AM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> >On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 08:52:02PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
[ . . . ]
> >>Some machines have millions of entries in their route cache.
> >>
> >>I suspect we cannot queue all them (or only hash heads as your previous
> >>patch) by RCU. Latencies and/or OOM can occur.
> >>
> >>What can be done is :
> >>
> >>in rt_run_flush(), allocate a new empty hash table, and exchange the hash
> >>tables.
> >>
> >>Then wait a quiescent/grace RCU period (may be the exact term is not this
> >>one, sorry, I'm not RCU expert)
> >>
> >>Then free all the entries from the old hash table (direclty of course, no
> >>need for RCU grace period), and free the hash table.
> >>
> >>As the hash table can be huge, we might need allocate it at boot time,
> >>just in case a flush is needed (it usually is :) ). If we choose dynamic
> >>allocation and this allocation fails, then fallback to what is done today.
> >
> >Interesting approach!
> >
> >If I remember correctly, the point of all of this is to perturb the hash
> >function periodically in order to avoid DoS attacks. It will likely
> >be necessary to avoid a big performance hit during the transition.
> >One way of doing this, given your two-table scheme, would be to:
> >
> >o Allocate both tables at boot time, as you suggest above.
> >
> >o Keep the following additional state:
> >
> > o Pointer to the table that is the current table.
> >
> > o First valid index (fvl) into the current table -- all
> > indexes below the fvl correspond to hash buckets that
> > have been transferred into the non-current table.
> > In the normal case where the tables are not being
> > switched, fvl==-1.
> >
> > (To make the RCU searches work without requiring
> > tons of explicit memory barriers, there needs to
> > be a separate fvl for each of the tables.)
> >
> > o Parameters defining the hash functions for the current
> > table and for the non-current table.
> >
> >o When it is time to switch tables, start removing the entries
> > in hash bucket #fvl of the current table. Optionally put them
> > into the non-current table (or just let them be added as they
> > are needed. Only remove a limited number of entries (or,
> > alternatively, stop removing them after a limited amount of
> > time).
> >
> > When the current hash bucket has been completely emptied,
> > increment fvl, and, if we have not already hit the limit,
> > continue on the new hash bucket.
> >
> > When fvl runs off the end of the table, you are done with
> > the switch. Update the pointer to reference the other
> > table. Important -- do -not- start another switch until
> > a grace period has elapsed!!! Otherwise, you will end
> > up fatally confusing slow readers.
> >
> >o When searching, if the hash function gives a value less
> > than fvl, search the non-current table.
> >
> > If the hash function gives a value equal to fvl, search
> > the current table, and, if not found, search the non-current
> > table.
> >
> > If the hash function gives a value greater than fvl, search
> > only the current table. (It may also be necessary to search
> > the non-current table to allow for races with fvl update.)
> >
> >Does this seem reasonable?
> >
> > Thanx, Paul
>
> Well, if as a bonus we are able to expand the size of the hash table, it
> could be very very good : As of today, the boot time sizing of this hash
> table is somewhat problematic.
>
> If the size is expanded by a 2 factor (or a power of too), can your
> proposal works ?
Yep!!!
Add the following:
o Add a size variable for each of the tables. It works best
if the per-table state is stored with the table itself, for
example:
struct hashtbl {
int size;
int fvl;
struct hash_param params;
struct list_head buckets[0];
};
o When switching tables, allocate a new one of the desired size
and free up the non-current one. (But remember to wait at least
one grace period after the last switch before starting this!!!)
o Compute hash parameters suitable for the new table size.
o Continue as before.
Note that you are not restricted to power-of-two expansion -- the
hash parameters should handle any desired difference, and in fact
handle contraction as well as expansion.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-30 5:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-24 7:52 RCU latency regression in 2.6.16-rc1 Lee Revell
2006-01-24 7:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24 7:58 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 8:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24 8:03 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 8:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24 8:07 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 8:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24 8:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 9:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-24 9:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-24 9:44 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 16:28 ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-24 21:38 ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-25 21:28 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 22:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-25 23:13 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 19:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-27 18:55 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 17:03 ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-28 18:00 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 18:51 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 19:34 ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-01-28 19:46 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-28 19:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-29 7:38 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-29 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-29 8:21 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-30 4:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-30 4:55 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-01-30 5:11 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2006-01-30 5:52 ` David S. Miller
2006-01-30 10:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-02-12 0:45 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-24 16:57 ` Dipankar Sarma
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