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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, akpm@osdl.org, dgc@sgi.com, steiner@sgi.com,
	Simon.Derr@bull.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] cpuset memory spread basic implementation
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:36:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200602061936.27322.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0602061017510.16829@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Monday 06 February 2006 19:21, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> > I still don't quite agree. As long as the latency penalty of going
> > off node is not too bad (let's say < factor 2) i think it's better
> > to spread out the caches than to always locate them locally.
> 
> AFAIK you can reach these low latency factors only if multiple nodes are 
> on the same motherboard. Likely Opteron specific?

Should be true for most CPUs with integrated memory controller.

Anyways, the 2 was just an example, true number would probably
need to be found with benchmarks.

> 
> > If you have a much worse worst case NUMA factor it might be different,
> > but even there it would be a good idea to at least spread it out
> > to nearby nodes.
> 
> I dont understand you here. What would be the benefit of selecting more 
> distant memory over local? I can only imagine that this would be 
> beneficial if we know that the data would be used later by other 
> processes.

The benefit would be to not fill up the local node as quickly when
you do something IO (or dcache intensive).  And on contrary when you
do something local memory intensive on that node then you won't need
to throw away all the IO caches if they are already spread out.

The kernel uses of these cached objects are not really _that_ latency 
sensitive and not that frequent so it makes sense to spread it out a 
bit to nearby nodes.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-06 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-04  7:19 [PATCH 1/5] cpuset memory spread basic implementation Paul Jackson
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 2/5] cpuset memory spread page cache implementation and hooks Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:49   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  1:42     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-05  1:54       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-05  5:06           ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  6:08             ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-05  6:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  6:28                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  0:20                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  5:51                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  7:14                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-06  7:42                     ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-06  7:51                       ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-06 17:32                         ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 3/5] cpuset memory spread slab cache implementation Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:49   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 4/5] cpuset memory spread slab cache optimizations Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:50   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:18     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:50   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  4:10     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 5/5] cpuset memory spread slab cache hooks Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  4:37   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-04 23:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] cpuset memory spread basic implementation Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:35   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06  4:33   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  5:50     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  6:02       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  6:17         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  7:22           ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  7:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  8:19               ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:22                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  8:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  9:03                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:09                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  9:27                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:22                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:47                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:51                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  9:09                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 10:09                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 10:11                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 10:16                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 10:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 10:35                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 14:42                           ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 14:35                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 16:48                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 17:11                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 18:21                               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 18:36                                 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2006-02-06 18:43                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 18:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 19:19                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 20:27                                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 18:43                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:01                                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 20:05                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:27                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 20:41                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:49                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 21:07                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 22:10                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 23:29                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 23:45                                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-07  0:19                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07  1:17                                             ` David Chinner
2006-02-07  9:31                                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 11:53                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 12:14                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 12:30                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 12:43                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 12:58                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 13:14                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 14:11                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 14:23                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:11                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:29                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:39                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:10                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:28                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:42                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:51                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:06                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:26                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-04 23:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-04 23:57   ` David S. Miller
2006-02-06  4:37 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  6:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  6:56   ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  7:08     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  7:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  8:22         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:35         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:32       ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:57         ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  9:18 ` Simon Derr

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