From: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, vserver@list.linux-vserver.org,
Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
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Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 01/20] pid: Intoduce the concept of a wid (wait id)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:39:02 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060207173902.GA6237@ccure.user-mode-linux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1vevsmgvz.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
First of all, for an RFC, this is very thorough.
Second, I've been thinking along these lines for UML. The motivation
is to get UML out of the system call tracing business as much as
possible, and to do so by having the host set up such that it can run
system calls itself and they do the same thing as the UML system call
would.
For example, for a UML process chrooted into a UML filesystem, the
file operations on normal files will do the same thing as they would
in UML, so they could be left to run on the host.
Similarly, something like virtualized processes could be made to do
the same thing with the process operations. Trivially, getpid() will
return the right value if left to run on the host, so UML wouldn't
need to intercept it. If there is a process tree inside a container
that mirrors the UML process tree, then lots of other system calls
also work, and don't need to be intercepted.
Ideally, I'd like namespaces on the host for all the resources under
UML control, and for a container to group those namespaces. However,
something which stops short of that is still usable - UML just gets
less benefit from it.
As far as processes go, ideally I'd like a containerized process to be
an empty shell which can be completely filled from userspace. The
motivation for this is that when you have a UP UML with 100 processes,
it's wasteful to have 100 virtualized processes on the host. What I
would want is one virtualized process which can be completely refilled
with new attributes on a context switch.
What I want to do is related to process migration, where you want to
move a process but have it not be able to tell. I'm describing
migrating a process from the UML to the host such that the host
performs as many system calls itself, but those which can't get
intercepted and executed within the UML. For migration between
physical machines, this would be the same as redirecting a system call
from the new host back to its original home. You want to do that as
infrequently as possible, so you want the container to provide as much
context from the home host as possible.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-02-07 17:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-02-06 19:19 [RFC][PATCH 0/20] Multiple instances of the process id namespace Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/20] pid: Intoduce the concept of a wid (wait id) Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:27 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/20] pspace: The parent process id of pid 1 is always 0 Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:29 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/20] pid: Introduce a generic helper to test for init Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/20] pspace: Allow multiple instaces of the process id namespace Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/20] sched: Fixup the scheduler syscalls to deal with pspaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/20] cad_pid: Fixup the cad_pid users to assume it is in the initial process id namespace Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/20] tty: Update the tty layer to work with pspaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:44 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/20] vt: Update the virtual console to handle pspaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:46 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/20] ptrace: Update ptrace " Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/20] capabilities: Update the capabilities code to " Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:51 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/20] ioprio: Update ioprio " Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:54 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/20] fcntl: Update fcntl to work with pspaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:57 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/20] kthread: Update kthread " Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/20] mm: Update vmscan " Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:00 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/20] posix-timers: Update posix timers " Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:02 ` [PATCH 16/20] nfs: Don't use pids to track the lockd server process Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/20] usb: Fixup usb so it works with pspaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:05 ` [RFC][PATCH 18/20] posix-mqueue: Make mqueues work with pspspaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:07 ` [RFC][PATCH 19/20] pspace: Upcate the pid_max sysctl to work in a per pspace fashion Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 20/20] proc: Update /proc to support multiple pid spaces Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-10 20:40 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-11 10:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/20] usb: Fixup usb so it works with pspaces Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-06 20:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 16:41 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/20] pspace: Allow multiple instaces of the process id namespace William Lee Irwin III
2006-02-07 17:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-10 20:30 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-11 9:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-11 10:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-11 10:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-13 8:53 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-13 16:40 ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-11 11:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-13 9:02 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-13 21:31 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-13 23:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-11 11:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-13 9:22 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-13 17:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-14 5:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-14 5:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-14 18:45 ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-15 12:07 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-15 13:31 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-16 13:44 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-20 9:27 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 17:04 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-21 16:29 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-21 23:23 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-20 11:29 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 12:34 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-20 14:11 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 15:08 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-01 22:06 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-02-15 18:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/20] pid: Introduce a generic helper to test for init Dave Hansen
2006-02-06 20:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 15:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-02-07 15:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 19:54 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/20] pid: Intoduce the concept of a wid (wait id) Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-06 20:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 17:39 ` Jeff Dike [this message]
2006-02-07 18:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-10 18:51 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-11 9:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-13 8:43 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-14 0:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 20:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/20] Multiple instances of the process id namespace Hubertus Franke
2006-02-06 20:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-06 21:07 ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-06 21:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 0:48 ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-07 5:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 9:33 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-08 4:19 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-02-08 4:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 4:51 ` Randy.Dunlap
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