From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: linux@horizon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sct@redhat.com
Subject: Re: msync() behaviour broken for MS_ASYNC, revert patch?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:13:33 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060209201333.62db0e24.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43EC0F3F.1000805@yahoo.com.au>
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> I don't think anyone would use MS_ASYNC for anything other than
> performance improvement, so it is not like we need super well
> defined behaviour... the earlier it will start IO AFAIKS the better.
Well, no. Consider a continuously-running application which modifies its
data store via MAP_SHARED+msync(MS_ASYNC). If the msync() immediately
started I/O, the disk would be seeking all over the place all the time. The
queue merging and timer-based unplugging would help here, but it won't be
as good as a big, infrequent ascending-file-offset pdflush pass.
Secondly, consider the behaviour of the above application if it is modifying
the same page relatively frequently (quite likely). If MS_ASYNC starts I/O
immediately, that page will get written 10, 100 or 1000 times per second.
If MS_ASYNC leaves it to pdflush, that page gets written once per 30
seconds, so we do far much less I/O.
We just don't know. It's better to leave it up to the application designer
rather than lumping too many operations into the one syscall.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-02-10 4:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-02-09 7:18 msync() behaviour broken for MS_ASYNC, revert patch? linux
2006-02-09 8:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-09 8:35 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09 8:42 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-09 12:38 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09 12:39 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09 17:48 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 3:36 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 3:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 3:57 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 4:13 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-02-10 4:30 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 4:43 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 4:52 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 5:13 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 5:29 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 5:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 6:03 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 6:13 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 6:31 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 6:46 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 6:57 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 7:14 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 12:41 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:00 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:59 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 19:29 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 19:52 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-11 5:49 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 16:37 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 17:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:37 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 18:38 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 19:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 19:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-10 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 20:11 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 21:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 20:03 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 21:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 21:55 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-02-10 22:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 23:02 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-02-10 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-11 19:07 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-02-10 17:29 ` linux
2006-02-10 17:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 18:57 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 8:00 ` linux
2006-02-10 13:18 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 7:15 ` linux
2006-02-10 7:28 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-09 11:18 ` linux
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-31 22:16 Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 22:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-31 23:41 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-01 0:30 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 15:40 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 16:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-01 16:33 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 16:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-01 16:57 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 18:51 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-31 22:53 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-31 23:20 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-16 22:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-19 21:54 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-21 2:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-21 9:52 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
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