From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Alon Bar-Lev <alon.barlev@gmail.com>,
Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler?
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:51:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060215235144.GD3490@openzaurus.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0602122104330.20351-100000@netrider.rowland.org>
Hi!
> > I would disagree. The only difference between the two is WHERE the
> > state is maintained - ram vs. disk. I won't really argue it though,
> > because it's just semantics -- call it whatever you want.
>
> It's not just semantics. There's a real difference between maintaining
> state in the hardware and maintaining it somewhere else. The biggest
> difference is that if the hardware retains suspend power, it is able to
> detect disconnections. When the system resumes, it _knows_ whether a
> device was attached the entire time, as opposed to being unplugged and
> replugged (or possibly a different device plugged in!) while the system
> was asleep. If the hardware is down completely, there is no way of
> telling for certain whether a device attached to some port is the same one
> that was there when the system got suspended.
I have strange system here (intel dual core prototype) that supplies
usb power even while it is "off". I'll need to find a way to fix that.
(Not that it is important to this discussion, just a reminder that strange hw exists)
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Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-02-12 16:57 Flames over -- Re: Which is simpler? Alan Stern
2006-02-13 0:51 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 2:19 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 3:52 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 5:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-13 16:40 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 16:31 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 17:14 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 20:04 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 20:38 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-13 21:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 22:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 19:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 20:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-02-14 21:08 ` Lee Revell
2006-02-15 15:56 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-13 22:51 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-02-13 23:47 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 0:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 2:09 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 4:09 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 4:28 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 5:11 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 15:33 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-14 6:27 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 16:23 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 18:39 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 19:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-14 21:13 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 23:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-15 3:08 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 19:14 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-14 19:37 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-17 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-18 16:34 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-18 17:29 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-19 5:52 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 9:02 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-19 16:35 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:41 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 19:17 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 19:43 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-20 0:56 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 1:01 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-20 1:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 4:04 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:16 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-02-18 21:04 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 0:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 6:02 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 6:32 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 16:39 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-19 16:54 ` Alan Stern
2006-02-19 20:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-19 20:44 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-19 21:02 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20 6:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-20 7:29 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-20 7:57 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-14 14:15 ` hackmiester / Hunter Fuller
2006-02-15 23:51 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-02-13 2:25 ` Kyle Moffett
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-13 19:16 David Brownell
2006-02-13 20:08 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 3:10 ` David Brownell
2006-02-14 6:05 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-14 17:04 ` David Brownell
2006-02-15 23:43 ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-18 20:51 ` David Brownell
2006-02-19 6:06 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 5:50 ` David Brownell
2006-02-20 16:07 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 16:51 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 18:20 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-20 18:44 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-02-20 21:45 ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-21 16:19 ` David Brownell
2006-02-21 18:30 ` Phillip Susi
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