Re: [RFC] Add kernel<->userspace ABI stability documentation

[Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 11:46:23AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> Then I suggest you work with the ALSA developers to come up with such a
> "stable" api that never changes.  They have been working at this for a
> number of years, if it was a "simple" problem, it would have been done
> already...

That depends on how it's being approached.  Writing an ABI takes effort, 
while it tends to be easier to simply write new code.

> Anyway, netlink is in the same category, with a backing userspace
> library tie :)
> 
> And, I have nothing against shipping userspace libraries with the kernel
> like this, if people think that's the easiest way to do it.  But even
> then, the raw interface is still "private" and you need to use the
> library to access it properly.

That's a lot easier if it gets installed with the kernel version as part of 
the path.  That might need some hacking in the dynamic linker.  Before going 
that far, it should really be a question of putting the ABI and necessary 
extensions under a microscope to see how much stability in an ABI is 
possible.  Perhaps we've been too lax in reviewing extensions to the kernel's 
ABI, resulting in things getting to the point where it now needs to be a 
more explicit part of the review process.

Half the problem is that the bits that actually form an ABI tend to be 
spread over random .c source files, include/asm and include/linux, so 
catching a change is rather difficult even for experienced reviewers.  It 
might make sense to start splitting out the structure definitions into an 
include/abi/ structure to make changes easier to spot.  It'll be a lot of 
work, but along the lines of the whole ioctl mess the end result will be 
an easier system for users to cope with (which is the main concern in 
maintaining an ABI -- making needless updates necessary for users and 
software authors is something I feel we should try to avoid).

		-ben
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