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From: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dtor_core@ameritech.net>,
	davej@codemonkey.org.uk,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@commfireservices.com>,
	Samuel Masham <samuel.masham@gmail.com>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	cpufreq@lists.linux.org.uk, ak@suse.de
Subject: Re: Status of X86_P4_CLOCKMOD?
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:09:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060228200916.GA326@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060228194628.GP4650@waste.org>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:46:29PM -0600, Matt Mackall wrote:
 > On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 03:41:10PM -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
 > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 08:59:37PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
 > > 
 > >  > > > >  config X86_P4_CLOCKMOD
 > >  > > > > 	depends on EMBEDDED
 > >  > > > 
 > >  > > > This one is an x86_64 only issue, and yes, it's wrong.
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > That's for P4, not X86_64... And since P4 clock modulation does not provide
 > >  > > almost any energy savings it was "hidden" under embedded.
 > >  > 
 > >  > But the EMBEDDED dependency is only on x86_64:
 > >  > 
 > >  > arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/Kconfig:
 > >  > config X86_P4_CLOCKMOD
 > >  >         tristate "Intel Pentium 4 clock modulation"
 > >  >         select CPU_FREQ_TABLE
 > >  >         help
 > >  > 
 > >  > arch/x86_64/kernel/cpufreq/Kconfig:
 > >  > config X86_P4_CLOCKMOD
 > >  >         tristate "Intel Pentium 4 clock modulation"
 > >  >         depends on EMBEDDED
 > >  >         help
 > >  > 
 > >  > And if the option is mostly useless, what is it good for?
 > > 
 > > It's sometimes useful in cases where the target CPU doesn't have any better
 > > option (Speedstep/Powernow).  The big misconception is that it
 > > somehow saves power & increases battery life. Not so.
 > > All it does is 'not do work so often'.  The upside of this is
 > > that in some situations, we generate less heat this way.
 > 
 > This is perplexing. Less heat equals less power usage according to the
 > laws of thermodynamics.

you end up taking longer to do the same amount of work, so you
end up using the same overall power.

		Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-28 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-14 15:22 [2.6 patch] make INPUT a bool Adrian Bunk
2006-02-14 18:14 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-14 18:22   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-14 23:47     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-17 15:56     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-17 16:38       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-20  3:33         ` Samuel Masham
2006-02-20 13:28           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22  1:34             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-22  2:31               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22  2:44                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-22  3:10                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22  3:20                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-23 19:59                       ` Status of X86_P4_CLOCKMOD? Adrian Bunk
2006-02-23 20:41                         ` Dave Jones
2006-02-23 23:15                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-23 23:33                             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-23 23:55                               ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-24  2:39                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-24  2:42                                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-24 17:33                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-25  1:57                           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2006-02-25  4:24                             ` Dave Jones
2006-02-25 12:53                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2006-02-27 21:17                                 ` Wes Felter
2006-02-25  4:27                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-25 12:53                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-25 13:28                                 ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-02-26 11:12                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-02-26 20:39                                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2006-02-26 20:55                                     ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-02-26 23:37                                       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2006-02-25 13:36                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-25 13:05                               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2006-02-28 19:46                           ` Matt Mackall
2006-02-28 20:09                             ` Dave Jones [this message]
2006-02-28 20:19                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-28 20:47                               ` Matt Mackall
2006-02-28 20:57                                 ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-02-28 21:26                                   ` Matt Mackall
2006-02-28 21:34                                     ` Dominik Brodowski
2006-02-28 21:39                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-28 22:22                                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-22 12:01                     ` [2.6 patch] make INPUT a bool Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-22 12:15                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-22 18:09                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-25 11:58                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-02-25 12:46                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-25 14:22                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-25 14:50                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-25 15:29                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-25 15:40                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-25 22:01                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-25 22:07                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-25 22:23                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-26 18:13                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-27  7:11                                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-02-27 12:59                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2006-02-25 14:57                       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-02-15  6:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-02-16 23:22   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-02-17  1:47     ` Dmitry Torokhov

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