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From: Rob Sims <lkml-z@robsims.com>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <bero@arklinux.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [slightly OT] dvdrecord 0.3.1 -- and yes, dev=/dev/cdrom works ;)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:05:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060301000528.GD3503@robsims.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44049D5A.1010806@cfl.rr.com>

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:58:34PM -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
> Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> >Yes. A 650 MB *CD*-RW (DVD-RW too?) formatted in packet mode only has like
> >500-something megabytes to allow for the sort of seeks required.
> >On DVD+RW, you get the full 4.3 GB (4.7 gB) AFAICS.
 
> DVD-RAM physically is formatted like a hard disk.  It is broken up into 
> zones that hold different numbers of sectors which are individually and 
> randomly read/writable.  CD/DVD+-RW media is organized as a single long 
> groove that consists of an unbroken series of large blocks composed of 
> small blocks with user and control data interleaved and error corrected. 
>  It is for this reason that historically it could only be recorded from 
> start to finish in one pass.

While DVD-RAM has per-sector embossing of headers, the ECC size is
still 16 sectors, so writing any one sector requires a read-modify-write
pass.  

> There are two modern techniques to allow pseudo random write access for 
> all forms of CD/DVD +/- RW media.  These are packet mode, and mount 
> rainier mode.  MRW mode formats the disk into 32 KB blocks made up of 
> 2048 byte sectors which are individually writable as far as the OS 
> knows, because an MRW compliant drive is required to internally handle 
> any required read/modify/write cycles to update the 32 KB blocks.  MRW 
> mode also reserves some of the disk for sector sparing which the drive 
> firmware also handles.  MRW mode is typically used on dvd+rw media. 
> IIRC, this format typically "wastes" about 10% of the capacity of the 
> medium.

DVD+RW and theoretically DVD-RW support writing of 32K chunks randomly
on the disk.  DVD+RW has a tight tolerance on positioning (+/-16 bits)
and DVD-RW about 150 bytes.  Both rely on ECC to correct those bits,
though DVD+RW obviously eats less of the ECC budget.  Neither format
uses a special packet format.  The drives themselves are supposed to do
read-modify-write as required.

> The other technique is packet mode.  Packet mode formats the media into 
> packets of sectors and each packet can be randomly rewritten.  The 
> current default size is only 32 sectors per packet.  Each packet has 7 
> sectors of linking loss so around 18% of the disk space is wasted.  I 
> recently submitted a patch to pktcdvd and have some patches to the 
> udftools package to support larger packet sizes.  A packet size of 128 
> sectors reduces the waste to only 5.2%.
 
Fixed packet writing is only a CD attribute.

Using 128 sector packets will likely break UDF interchangeability, and
likely even some drive firmware.
-- 
Rob

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-01  0:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-24 23:42 [slightly OT] dvdrecord 0.3.1 -- and yes, dev=/dev/cdrom works ;) Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2006-02-25 18:17 ` David Gómez
2006-02-25 18:38   ` Jesper Juhl
2006-02-25 19:14 ` Gene Heskett
2006-02-26 13:30 ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-26 13:29   ` Jesper Juhl
2006-02-26 13:39     ` Luke-Jr
2006-02-26 13:36       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-02-26 15:50       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-02-26 22:32       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-26 23:59         ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-27 18:50           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-28 18:58             ` Phillip Susi
2006-02-28 19:14               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-02-28 22:30                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-08 13:52                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-01  0:05               ` Rob Sims [this message]
2006-02-27 15:32 ` Dick Streefland

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