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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on x86
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:13:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060319181335.GA2389@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2.132654658@selenic.com>

Hi!

> Remove RTC UIP synchronization on x86
> 
> Reading the CMOS clock on x86 and some other arches currently takes up
> to one second because it synchronizes with the CMOS second tick-over.
> This delay shows up at boot time as well a resume time.
> 
> This is the currently the most substantial boot time delay for
> machines that are working towards instant-on capability. Also, a quick
> back of the envelope calculation (.5sec * 2M users * 1 boot a day * 10 years)
> suggests it has cost Linux users in the neighborhood of a million
> man-hours.

Heh, nice manipulation attempt. Note you are also introduced timing
error of about 114 years total.

> In my view, there are basically four cases to consider:
> 
> 1) networked, need precise walltime: use NTP
> 2) networked, don't need precise walltime: use NTP anyway
> 3) not networked, don't need sub-second precision walltime: don't care
> 4) not networked, need sub-second precision walltime:
>    get a network or a radio time source because RTC isn't good enough anyway

Eh, very nice, so I should get radio time source for my notebook?

> So this patch series simply removes the synchronization in favor of a
> simple seqlock-like approach using the seconds value.

What about polling RTC from timer interrupt or something like that, so
that you get error in range of 5 msec instead of 500 msec? You can do
the calibration in parallel, then...
								Pavel
-- 
Thanks, Sharp!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-21 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-17 23:30 [PATCH 1/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on x86 Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 2/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on x86_64 Matt Mackall
2006-03-18  5:52   ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-18 14:16     ` Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 4/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on PPC CHRP (arch/ppc) Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 3/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on Sparc64 Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 6/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on PPC Maple Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 8/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on MIPS MC146818 Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 5/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on CHRP (arch/powerpc) Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 7/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on MIPS Footbridge Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:58   ` Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 10/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on SH03 Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 11/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on SH MPC1211 Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 12/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on Alpha Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 13/14] RTC: Fix up some RTC whitespace and style Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 9/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on MIPS-based DEC Matt Mackall
2006-03-17 23:30 ` [PATCH 14/14] RTC: Remove some duplicate BCD definitions Matt Mackall
2006-03-18  5:53   ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-19 18:13 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-03-21 16:38   ` [PATCH 1/14] RTC: Remove RTC UIP synchronization on x86 Matt Mackall
2006-03-21 18:40     ` Pavel Machek

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