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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	bugsplatter@gmail.com
Subject: Re: interactive task starvation
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:25:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060321142504.GA31258@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200603220119.50331.kernel@kolivas.org>


* Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 22 March 2006 01:17, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 00:53 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > The yardstick for changes is now the speed of 'ls' scrolling in the
> > > console. Where exactly are those extra cycles going I wonder? Do you
> > > think the scheduler somehow makes the cpu idle doing nothing in that
> > > timespace? Clearly that's not true, and userspace is making something
> > > spin unnecessarily, but we're gonna fix that by modifying the
> > > scheduler.... sigh
> >
> > *Blink*
> >
> > Are you having a bad hair day??
> 
> My hair is approximately 3mm long so it's kinda hard for that to happen. 
> 
> What you're fixing with unfairness is worth pursuing. The 'ls' issue 
> just blows my mind though for reasons I've just said. Where are the 
> magic cycles going when nothing else is running that make it take ten 
> times longer?

i believe such artifacts are due to array switches not happening (due to 
the workload getting queued back to rq->active, not rq->expired), and 
'ls' only gets a timeslice once in a while, every STARVATION_LIMIT
times. I.e. such workloads penalize the CPU-bound 'ls' process quite 
heavily.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-21 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 23:13 [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:26 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-07 23:32   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  0:05     ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  0:51       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:11         ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:12           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:19             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:23             ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:28               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:08                 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:12                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:18                     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:22                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:27                         ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:30                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:52                             ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2006-03-08  3:03                               ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  3:05                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 21:07                                 ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-08 23:00                                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 23:48                                     ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09  0:07                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  3:13                                         ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09  4:08                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  4:54                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  7:51                 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08  8:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  8:57             ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09  9:08               ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]                 ` <4410AFD3.7090505@bigpond.net.au>
2006-03-10  9:01                   ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-10  9:11                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 22:24       ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-09  2:22         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  2:30           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  2:57             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  9:11               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 13:36     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
2006-03-17  9:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 10:46         ` interactive task starvation Mike Galbraith
2006-03-17 17:15           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-20  7:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-20 10:22               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21  6:47               ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21  7:51                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21  9:13                   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21  9:14                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 11:15                       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 11:18                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 11:53                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:10                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:13                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:33                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:37                                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:44                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:45                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:01                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:17                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 15:20                                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 17:50                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-22  4:18                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 17:51                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:38                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:48                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 12:07                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 12:59                             ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:24                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:53                                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:17                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:19                                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:25                                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-03-21 14:28                                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:30                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:28                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:30                                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:44                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 14:52                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-29  3:01                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-29  5:56                                                   ` Ray Lee
2006-03-29  6:16                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-21 14:36                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:39                                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:39                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 18:39                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-03-21 19:32                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 21:47                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-03-21 22:51                                 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-22  3:49                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-22  3:59                                     ` Peter Williams
2006-03-22 12:14                                     ` [interbench numbers] " Mike Galbraith
2006-03-22 20:27                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-23  3:22                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-23  5:43                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-23  5:53                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-23 11:07                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-24  0:21                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-24  5:02                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-24  5:04                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 12:38         ` [PATCH] sched: activate SCHED BATCH expired Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 13:07           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 13:26           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 13:36             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 13:46               ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 13:51                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 14:11                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 14:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 13:47               ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-17 13:59                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 14:06                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08  8:48   ` [ck] Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching Andreas Mohr
2006-03-08  8:52     ` Con Kolivas

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