From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: davem@redhat.com, torvalds@osdl.org, akpm@osdl.org,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #5]
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:26:45 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060323222645.GA1298@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <895.1143138867@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com>
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:34:27PM +0000, David Howells wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > smp_mb__before_atomic_dec() and friends as well?
>
> These seem to be something Sparc64 related; or, at least, Sparc64 seems to do
> something weird with them.
>
> What are these meant to achieve anyway? They seems to just be barrier() on a
> lot of systems, even SMP ones.
On architectures such as x86 where atomic_dec() implies an smp_mb(),
they do nothing. On other architectures, they supply whatever memory
barrier is required.
So, on x86:
smp_mb();
atomic_dec(&my_atomic_counter);
would result in -two- atomic instructions, but the smp_mb() would be
absolutely required on CPUs with weaker memory-consistency models.
So your choice is to (1) be inefficient on x86 or (2) be unsafe on
weak-memory-consistency systems. What we can do instead is:
smp_mb__before_atomic_dec();
atomic_dec(&my_atomic_counter);
This allows x86 to generate efficient code -and- allows weak-memory
machines (e.g., Alpha, MIPS, PA-RISC(!), ppc, s390, SPARC64) to generate
safe code.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-03-23 22:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-03-09 20:29 [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #4] David Howells
2006-03-09 23:34 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 23:45 ` Michael Buesch
2006-03-09 23:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-10 0:07 ` Michael Buesch
2006-03-10 0:48 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-10 0:54 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-10 15:19 ` David Howells
2006-03-11 0:01 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-10 5:28 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-15 11:10 ` David Howells
2006-03-15 11:51 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-15 13:47 ` David Howells
2006-03-15 23:21 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-12 17:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-14 21:26 ` David Howells
2006-03-14 21:48 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-14 23:59 ` David Howells
2006-03-15 0:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-15 1:19 ` David Howells
2006-03-15 1:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-15 1:25 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-15 0:54 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-13 12:32 ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-14 20:31 ` David Howells
2006-03-14 21:11 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-15 9:09 ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-15 9:04 ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-14 20:35 ` David Howells
2006-03-15 9:11 ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-15 14:23 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #5] David Howells
[not found] ` <20060315200956.4a9e2cb3.akpm@osdl.org>
2006-03-16 11:50 ` David Howells
2006-03-16 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-17 1:20 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-16 23:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-03-16 23:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-17 1:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-03-17 5:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-17 6:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-03-23 18:34 ` David Howells
2006-03-23 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-23 22:26 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-28 22:25 Suzanne Wood
2006-03-29 17:54 ` David Howells
2006-03-29 20:51 Suzanne Wood
2006-03-30 20:18 ` David Howells
2006-03-31 0:55 Suzanne Wood
2006-03-31 14:51 ` David Howells
2006-03-31 16:16 Suzanne Wood
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