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From: Tony Jones <tonyj@suse.de>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Joshua Brindle <method@gentoo.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:34:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060425173446.GA28479@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604251712.k3PHCbnj002821@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 01:12:37PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:25 EDT, Joshua Brindle said:
> 
> > To make this much more real, the /usr/sbin/named policy that ships with 
> > apparmor has the following line:
> > /** r,
> > Thats right, named can read any file on the system, I suppose this is 
> > because the policy relies on named being chrooted. So if for any reason 
> > named doesn't chroot its been granted read access on the entire 
> > filesystem.
> 
> Somebody *please* tell me I hallucinated the posting that said AppArmor
> restricts the use of chroot by confined processes...

Nope. I don't believe you've been chomping on any 'shrooms. The profile must 
grant the confined task 'capability sys_chroot', even if the task already has 
that capability in it's effective set.

> In any case, the incredibly brittle behavior of this policy in the face
> of chroot() failure (from the people who should *know* how to write AppArmor
> policy, no less) is just proof of why making it simple for non-experts to
> write policy is a Bad Idea....

I believe this was addressed in another post in this thread.

But yes, without the ability to either generate an absolute pathname or to
force a chrooted task into a distinct subprofile there currently exists (as 
mentioned in the overview and patch descriptions) an issue of name collision
within the one profile.  

Improvements clearly need to be made. This was the purpose of posting for 
feedback, but it's quite the claim to go from this to your above assertion of 
"proof".

Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-25 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-19 17:49 [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/11] security: AppArmor - Integrate into kbuild Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:57   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 18:10     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:35   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 19:55   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-19 20:52     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/11] security: AppArmor - Core headers Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:01   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 17:43     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/11] security: AppArmor - LSM interface Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:05   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/11] security: AppArmor - Core access controls Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:10   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 18:57     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 23:05       ` Rik van Riel
2006-04-19 23:18         ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-19 23:21           ` Rik van Riel
2006-04-19 23:50             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 12:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:27         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 17:39     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 19:32   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 19:50   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  9:40   ` Al Viro
2006-04-20 11:40     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 21:39       ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/11] security: AppArmor - Filesystem Tony Jones
2006-04-21 21:13   ` Amy Griffis
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/11] security: AppArmor - Userspace interface Tony Jones
2006-04-20 21:39   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-21 18:01     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-21 18:41       ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/11] security: AppArmor - Misc (capabilities, data structures) Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:16   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/11] security: AppArmor - Pathname matching submodule Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/11] security: AppArmor - Audit changes Tony Jones
2006-04-21 21:21   ` Amy Griffis
2006-04-22  0:13     ` Steve Grubb
2006-04-22  0:19       ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] security: AppArmor - Add flags to d_path Tony Jones
2006-04-19 22:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20  5:36     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20  8:26       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 16:43         ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20 17:04           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 17:50             ` Tony Jones
2006-04-21 12:16               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24 13:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] security: AppArmor - Export namespace semaphore Tony Jones
2006-04-19 22:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 12:39   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:46     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 12:05       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 13:21         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 12:48           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:58             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 22:11             ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-20 23:05               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-21  1:29                 ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-21  2:09                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21  5:10                     ` Linda Walsh
2006-04-23 12:11                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-21 14:02               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 19:45           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:16             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 20:22             ` James Morris
2006-04-20 21:50     ` Linda Walsh
2006-04-20 21:56       ` Al Viro
2006-04-20 23:54         ` James Morris
2006-04-21 13:59       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 18:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 22:32   ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-19 23:00     ` grundig
2006-04-19 23:38       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-20  1:32         ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 13:00           ` grundig
2006-04-20 13:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 13:15               ` Al Viro
2006-04-21  0:11               ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 13:01             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-20  8:42     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 19:26       ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 19:27       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21 12:18         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 17:30           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21 18:07             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 20:06               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 20:35                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 20:44                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 21:38                   ` Dave Neuer
2006-04-22 10:01                     ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  4:18               ` Neil Brown
2006-04-24  7:03                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-24 13:04                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-24 13:43                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 21:07                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24 23:52                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-25  6:22                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:45                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:52                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 17:43                           ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-25 18:34                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 18:48                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 18:56                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  4:25                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-25  7:50                       ` James Morris
2006-04-25 12:46                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-25 15:06                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:00                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-25 16:21                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-26  3:42                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-26 12:15                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27  0:21                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-27 14:47                                   ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-25 17:29                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26  3:56                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-26 11:32                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:47                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  7:14                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:11                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25 19:27                   ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-24 13:11                 ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 13:26                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-24 13:39                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 15:16                       ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 15:50                         ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 17:03                           ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-25 17:12                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 17:34                           ` Tony Jones [this message]
2006-04-24 13:52                     ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:09                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-24 20:45                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  8:10                   ` Neil Brown
2006-04-25  8:28                     ` Al Viro
2006-04-25 12:42                     ` James Carter
2006-04-25 12:43                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-25 14:50                         ` James Carter
2006-04-25 15:01                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 18:11                           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-25 21:25                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 17:07                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 22:15                       ` Some Concrete AppArmor Questions - was " Neil Brown
2006-04-26 23:06                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-27  4:15                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-27  6:52                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-27  7:40                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-27 10:17                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-27 14:42                               ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-27 23:44                                 ` Chris Wright
2006-04-28 13:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-28 15:49                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-28 16:04                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-28 21:49                                         ` James Morris
2006-04-28 16:56                                       ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-27 16:03                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 22:38                                 ` Chris Wright
2006-04-28 13:00                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 17:43                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 17:58                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-28 11:28                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-28 11:47                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-28 12:28                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 11:02                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-27 11:05                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-20 11:29     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 13:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 22:32     ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-20 12:17 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 15:38   ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-20 19:57   ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-21 13:34     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 12:27 ` Pavel Machek

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