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From: Blaisorblade <blaisorblade@yahoo.it>
To: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>
Cc: user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] Re: [RFC] PATCH 0/4 - Time virtualization
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:54:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200604281554.32665.blaisorblade@yahoo.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060428114823.GA3641@ccure.user-mode-linux.org>

On Friday 28 April 2006 13:48, Jeff Dike wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 01:33:40PM +0200, Blaisorblade wrote:
> > > So, maybe it belongs in clone as a "backwards" flag similar to
> > > CLONE_NEWNS.

> > I must note that currently every (?) flag allowed for unshare is also
> > allowed for clone, so you need to do that anyway.

> Currently.  We are running out of CLONE_ bits - in mainline, there are
> three left, and two of them are likely to be used by CLONE_TIME and
> CLONE_UTSNAME (or whatever that turns out to be called).

> And why should there be any overlap between clone flags and unshare
> flags?  Isn't
> 	clone(CLONE_TIME);
> the same as
> 	clone();
> 	unshare(CLONE_TIME);
> ?

Now that unshare() exists, you're right, the current situation is just due to 
unshare() being an afterthought; the second form (clone() + unshare()) is 
actually more similar to the classical fork() API conceptually (i.e. you 
don't need a call with thousands of parameters to create a process, you can 
specify everything later).

So we get back to Eric's objection (which I haven't understood but that's my 
problem).

Additionally, if this flag ever goes into clone, it mustn't be named 
CLONE_TIME, but CLONE_NEWTIME (or CLONE_NEWUTS). And given CLONE_NEWNS, it's 
IMHO ok to have unshare(CLONE_NEWTIME) to mean "unshare time namespace", even 
if it's incoherent with unshare(CLONE_FS) - the incoherency already exists 
with CLONE_NEWNS.
-- 
Inform me of my mistakes, so I can keep imitating Homer Simpson's "Doh!".
Paolo Giarrusso, aka Blaisorblade (Skype ID "PaoloGiarrusso", ICQ 215621894)
http://www.user-mode-linux.org/~blaisorblade
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-28 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-13 17:19 [RFC] PATCH 0/4 - Time virtualization Jeff Dike
2006-04-14  0:31 ` john stultz
2006-04-14  1:53   ` [uml-devel] " Jeff Dike
2006-04-14 16:24     ` john stultz
2006-04-19  8:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-26 18:01   ` Jeff Dike
2006-04-28 11:33     ` [uml-devel] " Blaisorblade
2006-04-28 11:48       ` Jeff Dike
2006-04-28 12:14         ` Jeff Dike
2006-04-28 13:54         ` Blaisorblade [this message]
2006-04-28 15:15           ` Jeff Dike
2006-04-28 20:10             ` Blaisorblade
2006-04-28 16:18           ` Eric W. Biederman

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