From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, pavel@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] swsusp: support creating bigger images (rev. 2)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:38:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060510163833.586b93ce.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200605110058.19458.rjw@sisk.pl>
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 10 May 2006 00:27, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> > >
> > > Now if the mapped pages that are not mapped by the
> > > current task are considered, it turns out that they would change only if they
> > > were reclaimed by try_to_free_pages(). Thus if we take them out of reach
> > > of try_to_free_pages(), for example by (temporarily) moving them out of their
> > > respective LRU lists after creating the image, we will be able to include them
> > > in the image without copying.
> >
> > I'm a bit curious about how this is true. There are all sorts of way in
> > which there could be activity against these pages - interrupt-time
> > asynchronous network Tx completion, async interrupt-time direct-io
> > completion, tasklets, schedule_work(), etc, etc.
>
> AFAIK, many of these things are waited for uninterruptibly, and uninterruptible
> tasks cannot be frozen.
There can be situations where we won't be waiting on this IO at all.
Network zero-copy transmit, for example.
Or maybe there's some async writeback going on against pagecache - we'll
end up looking at the page's LRU state within interrupt context at IO
completion. (A sync would prevent this from happening).
One possibly problematic scenario is where task A is doing a direct-IO read
and task B truncates the same file - here, the page will be actually
removed from the LRU and freed in interrupt context. The direct-IO read
process will be waiting on the IO in D state though. It it was a
synchronous read - if it was an AIO read then it won't be waiting on the
IO. Something else might save us here, but it's fragile.
> Theoretically we may have a problem if there's an
> interruptible task that waits for the completion of an operation that gets
> finished after snapshotting the system. However that would have to survive the
> syncing of filesystems, freezing of kernel threads, freeing of memory as well
> as suspending and resuming all devices. [In which case it would be starving
> to death. :-)]
hm. It's all a bit of a worry. I don't understand what swsusp is trying
to do here sufficiently well to be able to advise, sorry. I was rather
surprised to learn that it's presently taking copies of all these pages...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-05-10 23:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-02 10:00 [PATCH -mm] swsusp: support creating bigger images Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-09 7:33 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-09 10:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-09 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-09 12:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-09 12:30 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-10 3:50 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-10 22:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-11 15:01 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-11 21:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-09 22:15 ` [PATCH -mm] swsusp: support creating bigger images (rev. 2) Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-09 22:27 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-10 22:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-10 23:38 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-05-11 0:11 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-05-11 13:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-11 23:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-05-12 0:17 ` Nathan Scott
2006-05-12 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-13 22:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-11 13:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-11 11:35 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-11 12:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-11 23:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-05-12 10:30 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-13 22:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-15 9:48 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-15 19:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-05-15 23:50 ` Con Kolivas
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