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From: Al Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net, dwalker@mvista.com,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] sys_semctl gcc 4.1 warning fix
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 22:14:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060511211401.GN27946@ftp.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060511204033.GB3570@stusta.de>

On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 10:40:33PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> We could turn of this kind of warnings that generate these kind of false 
> positives globally with -Wno-uninitialized until a future gcc version 
> might be better at avoiding false positives.
> 
> But there's one problem, this turns off two kinds of warnings:
> - 'foo' may be used uninitialized in this function
> - 'foo' is used uninitialized in this function
> 
> The first kind of warnings is the one generating the false positives 
> while the second kind are warnings we do not want to lose, but AFAIK 
> there's no way to only turn off the first kind.
> 
> Perhaps asking the gcc developers for separate options for these two 
> kinds of warnings in gcc 4.2 and then turning off the first kind is 
> the way to go?

Folks, let's look at it that way:
	* warnings are tools to locate broken places in the tree.
	* we have two signals ("is unused" and "may be unused"), say
A(location, verision) and B(location, version).
	* A has fairly high S/N ratio.
	* B has very large noise component, but it's only weakly dependent
on the verision.

The question is how to get useful information out of those.
	* solution 1: introduce C(location, version) and filter A and B
with it, to kill noise in B.
	* solution 2: ignore B, either by gcc modification or simply filtering
it with grep.
	* solution 3: subtract the signals for consequent versions.

IMO it's obvious that combining outputs of (2) and (3) gives the best S/N.
The reason why (1) is bad is that it kills high-S/N channel in the areas
with high noise on low-S/N channel *and* that filtered-out areas will
remain filtered out in the next versions.  IOW, it's a clear loss.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-11 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-10  2:56 [PATCH -mm] sys_semctl gcc 4.1 warning fix Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 10:34 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-10 14:31   ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 15:09     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-10 15:06       ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 15:24         ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 16:24           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-10 17:18             ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 17:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 18:27                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-05-10 19:07                   ` Serge Belyshev
2006-05-10 20:24                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-10 20:35                   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 20:36                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-10 20:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 19:20             ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 19:49               ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 20:44                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 21:11                   ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 21:20                     ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 21:33                       ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 21:39                         ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 21:45                           ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 21:48                             ` Al Viro
2006-05-11  6:36                       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-10 15:39         ` Alan Cox
2006-05-10 15:38           ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 16:21             ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 16:37               ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 16:42                 ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 17:25                   ` Daniel Walker
2006-05-10 19:55                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-05-10 22:03               ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-10 22:10                 ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 22:31                   ` David S. Miller
2006-05-10 22:45                     ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 23:05                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-10 23:20                         ` Al Viro
2006-05-10 23:45                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-11  1:28                             ` Al Viro
2006-05-11  8:11                               ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-11 10:07                                 ` [PATCH -mm] introduce a false positive macro Steven Rostedt
2006-05-11 20:40                             ` [PATCH -mm] sys_semctl gcc 4.1 warning fix Adrian Bunk
2006-05-11 21:14                               ` Al Viro [this message]
2006-05-10 23:06                     ` Roland Dreier
2006-05-10 22:30                 ` David S. Miller
2006-05-11  2:58                   ` Mike Galbraith

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