From: "D. Hazelton" <dhazelton@enter.net>
To: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>
Cc: linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: replacing X Window System !
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:27:28 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605182027.29184.dhazelton@enter.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <446C61F8.7080406@aitel.hist.no>
Linux does provide a system in kernel for accessing the graphics cards. This
includes both the DRM system and the framebuffer drivers. If the hardware
drivers, such as the DRM drivers and system and the framebuffer drivers, were
extended to allow a bit more utility, perhaps by providing a documented API
(in the framebuffer case) it should be a simple matter to rewrite X so that
it doesn't require root access. That this *hasn't* been done is both a
problem with the kernel documentation and the X developers - more the X
developers than anything.
In the case of the DRM drivers, I, personally, feel they should implement the
accelerated drawing commands, or perhaps have a passthrough method similar to
the SG system, then X and Mesa could easily access all features of the
hardware through the userspace side of the DRM driver, which itself could
provide the API as a wrapper around an IOCTL interface, or perhaps a sysfs
interface.
For the Framebuffer drivers I, personally, would like to see its userspace
accessable bits documented. This is, of course, assuming that there is more
to it than an interface for setting the video mode and writing the graphics
data to the device file. Now, if the framebuffer device was extended to
provide some sort of interface, either via IOCTL or via a set of sysfs files,
to the full capabilities of the device, then all problems of X needing to be
root once more disappear.
Note that I am not advocating putting the windowing system in-kernel, just
expanding the kernel interface to the various graphics devices so that future
versions of X will not be required to have direct access to the hardware.
I have no experience with kernel-level programming and no experience in
graphics programming beyond some simple DOS applications I wrote in the days
of just using a pointer to 0xB000 and 0xC000. Despite that I would be willing
to set aside all my private projects and lend any assistance required to make
any of these suggestions happen if anyone wishes to pick them up.
DRH
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-05-19 1:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 341+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-16 21:41 replacing X Window System ! linux cbon
2006-05-16 21:51 ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-16 21:57 ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-16 23:23 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-05-16 22:19 ` alan
2006-05-16 22:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-16 23:05 ` alan
2006-05-17 11:47 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 12:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 12:39 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 13:19 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 14:10 ` Panagiotis Issaris
2006-05-17 14:19 ` Ondrej Zary
2006-05-17 14:23 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-17 14:46 ` Bob Copeland
2006-05-17 13:24 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 13:46 ` Bob Copeland
2006-05-17 14:01 ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-17 13:39 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-17 14:53 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 15:09 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:30 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-17 16:29 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:53 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 16:09 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-05-17 16:12 ` Stas Myasnikov
2006-05-17 15:16 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-17 15:49 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 16:11 ` Stas Myasnikov
2006-05-17 17:52 ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-05-17 17:17 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-17 17:33 ` grundig
2006-05-18 15:42 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-18 18:40 ` grundig
2006-05-18 12:00 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-18 17:28 ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 18:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-18 18:52 ` Thierry Vignaud
2006-05-18 19:31 ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 19:37 ` David Lang
2006-05-18 20:12 ` Gerhard Mack
2006-05-18 22:22 ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 9:09 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-18 20:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-18 21:47 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-18 22:03 ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 22:23 ` Al Viro
2006-05-21 14:56 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-05-19 9:26 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-19 11:08 ` Panagiotis Issaris
2006-05-19 13:07 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-19 14:34 ` David Greaves
2006-05-19 14:40 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-19 15:13 ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 15:18 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-19 22:09 ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 22:51 ` Peter Gordon
2006-05-21 20:49 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-20 0:43 ` Jeff Carr
2006-05-19 15:01 ` Sander
2006-05-19 22:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-19 22:34 ` David Lang
2006-05-19 22:20 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-19 22:40 ` linux cbon
2006-05-20 1:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-20 6:31 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-20 8:25 ` jerome lacoste
2006-05-21 6:16 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-21 12:17 ` linux cbon
2006-05-21 6:38 ` Manu Abraham
2006-05-23 5:08 ` OpenGL-based framebuffer concepts Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 0:48 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-23 17:17 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-23 22:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-23 23:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-23 23:24 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:21 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 0:42 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:57 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 1:04 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 14:30 ` Chase Venters
2006-05-24 13:32 ` Paulo Marques
2006-05-24 6:39 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 13:17 ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-05-24 22:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-24 22:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 22:41 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 1:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-24 7:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-24 0:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 23:27 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 0:24 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 7:03 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 13:55 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 14:49 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 14:56 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 16:15 ` Matheus Izvekov
2006-05-24 16:26 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 16:32 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-26 4:57 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-26 2:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 7:12 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 16:42 ` Matheus Izvekov
2006-05-24 17:34 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-26 7:05 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 7:59 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-26 6:58 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 22:03 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 7:08 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 8:32 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-26 10:58 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 11:06 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-24 15:41 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-05-23 10:11 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 10:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 14:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 14:43 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 15:41 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 16:53 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <9b5164430605231015s40ebcd38had1c3029da8afc7@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-23 17:21 ` Xiong Jiang
2006-05-24 12:47 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 23:31 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-23 15:52 ` Rene Rebe
2006-05-23 23:41 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:48 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 5:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 23:38 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:08 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 0:17 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 5:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 1:30 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 5:48 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 2:11 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 17:53 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 18:03 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 15:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 23:18 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 23:56 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 0:31 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 2:37 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-25 8:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 14:04 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 15:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 15:37 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 23:04 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 23:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 23:31 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 23:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 23:48 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 15:57 ` Paulo Marques
2006-05-25 18:01 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-26 11:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-25 16:13 ` Greg KH
2006-05-26 17:39 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 18:01 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 0:03 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-27 22:13 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 2:34 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-27 22:45 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 3:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-28 1:12 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 23:13 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-28 23:16 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 3:43 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 4:05 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-29 0:25 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 4:58 ` Neil Brown
2006-05-29 2:07 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 5:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 2:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 5:28 ` Neil Brown
2006-05-29 7:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-31 21:42 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-31 21:15 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 9:43 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-06-01 11:51 ` Marko M
2006-06-01 15:54 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 21:39 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-29 0:59 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-29 1:29 ` Daniel Stone
2006-05-29 2:28 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 17:40 ` David Lang
2006-05-30 21:53 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-30 21:55 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-30 22:13 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02 8:36 ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-06-02 8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 18:49 ` David Lang
2006-06-02 22:01 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 19:57 ` David Lang
2006-06-02 23:25 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-03 6:32 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-03 7:05 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-03 16:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-03 20:55 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-02 12:17 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-30 22:35 ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-05-30 22:55 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 6:48 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-31 7:13 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 3:25 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31 7:19 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-31 12:09 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-31 13:34 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-31 13:56 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-30 23:21 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 8:26 ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-05-31 10:25 ` Marko M
2006-05-31 11:59 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 19:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-05-31 19:57 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 20:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-31 21:23 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 2:21 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-29 10:23 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-29 10:36 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 12:48 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-29 21:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-29 21:45 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 17:44 ` David Lang
2006-05-30 20:18 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-29 22:10 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-29 22:58 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 22:57 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 23:23 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 23:48 ` Marko M
2006-05-30 1:39 ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-05-30 2:09 ` Randy.Dunlap
[not found] ` <441e43c90605291936t19caa0eat4bd4b699e0ac9202@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-30 2:37 ` Fwd: " Ian Kester-Haney
2006-05-30 10:49 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-05-30 20:24 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 20:56 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 21:15 ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-05-30 23:01 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-30 23:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 23:14 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31 4:02 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 0:11 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31 4:16 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 0:26 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31 4:39 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 0:45 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 0:50 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 1:37 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 1:56 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 2:19 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 22:36 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 2:49 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 9:28 ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-06-01 16:59 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 14:59 ` David Lang
2006-06-01 16:03 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 20:35 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 16:47 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 21:21 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:22 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 21:05 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 21:23 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 21:31 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 21:48 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:21 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-01 23:14 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-01 23:39 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 23:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-01 23:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 23:47 ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02 0:45 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02 9:05 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 1:15 ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02 2:18 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:34 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 2:58 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 23:01 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 3:16 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02 0:34 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 2:45 ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02 3:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02 4:28 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02 0:35 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 9:00 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-03 3:21 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-03 1:25 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-03 5:55 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-03 2:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-03 6:31 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-03 2:38 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-03 4:03 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-08 7:02 ` Helge Hafting
2006-06-08 7:40 ` Daniel Hazelton
2006-06-08 8:30 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-09 2:44 ` Daniel Hazelton
2006-06-02 4:34 ` Ville Syrjälä
2006-06-02 0:36 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 6:19 ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02 17:31 ` Ville Syrjälä
2006-06-02 1:42 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 23:38 ` Daniel Stone
2006-05-30 23:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 23:55 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 23:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-31 0:00 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 0:47 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 1:23 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 2:34 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-18 20:27 ` D. Hazelton [this message]
2006-05-17 13:20 ` replacing X Window System ! Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 18:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-16 23:10 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-17 8:46 ` Ondrej Zary
2006-05-17 9:59 ` Carlos Silva
2006-05-17 13:27 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 17:37 ` David Schwartz
2006-05-17 17:46 ` alan
2006-05-17 17:56 ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-05-17 17:12 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-19 10:27 ` [OT] " Jan Knutar
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-17 0:01 "Döhr, Markus ICC-H"
2006-05-17 0:15 ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-19 22:43 ` Peter Gordon
2006-05-17 11:11 "Döhr, Markus ICC-H"
2006-05-17 17:14 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-17 22:52 "Döhr, Markus ICC-H"
2006-05-20 0:57 "Döhr, Markus ICC-H"
2006-05-20 1:10 ` Alexander Gran
2006-05-20 1:11 ` David Lang
2006-05-20 6:56 ` Bart Samwel
2006-05-20 7:14 ` shogunx
2006-05-20 10:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-05-22 10:09 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-20 4:33 Al Boldi
2006-05-20 10:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-20 11:19 ` Al Boldi
2006-05-20 12:01 ` Neil Brown
2006-05-22 0:22 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-22 10:50 "Döhr, Markus ICC-H"
2006-05-22 11:23 ` Helge Hafting
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