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From: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:27:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060605132732.GA23350@tuxdriver.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060605085451.GA26766@infradead.org>

On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:54:51AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:06:36PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 01:50:11PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > acx1xx-wireless-driver.patch
> > > fix-tiacx-on-alpha.patch
> > > tiacx-fix-attribute-packed-warnings.patch
> > > tiacx-pci-build-fix.patch
> > > tiacx-ia64-fix.patch
> > > 
> > >   It is about time we did something with this large and presumably useful
> > >   wireless driver.
> > 
> > I've never had technical objections to merging this, just AFAIK it had a
> > highly questionable origin, namely being reverse-engineered in a
> > non-clean-room environment that might leave Linux legally vulnerable.
> 
> As are at leasdt a fourth of linux drivers.  Andrew, please just go ahead
> and merge it (I'll do another review ASAP).

Actually, I was planning to merge the softmac-based version for 2.6.18.
It looks like I may want some of Andrew's patches on top (ia64, alpha, etc).

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/linville/wireless-2.6/master/

	0003-wireless-add-acx-driver.txt
	0004-acxsm-merge-from-acx-0.3.32.txt
	0005-tiacx-Let-only-ACX_PCI-ACX_USB-be-user-visible.txt
	0007-tiacx-revert-neither-PCI-nor-USB-is-selected-change.txt
	0008-tiacx-implement-much-more-flexible-firmware-statistics-parsing.txt
	0009-tiacx-Change-acx_ioctl_-get-set-_encode-to-use-kernel-80211-stack.txt
	0010-tiacx-fix-breakage-of-Get-rid-of-circular-list-of-adev-s.txt
	0011-tiacx-split-module-into-acx-common-acx-pci-acx-usb.txt

Of course, I didn't know there were serious concerns about this
driver's origin.  I hope we aren't confusing this with the atheros
driver...?

> Please don't let this reverse engineering idiocy hinder wireless driver
> adoption, we're already falling far behind openbsd who are very successfull
> reverse engineering lots of wireless chipsets.

This bugbear does seem to keep visiting us.  It is a bit of a
minefield.

I'm inclined to think that Christoph and Arjan are right, that we
have been too cautious.  Of course, neither of these fine gentlemen
are known for their timidity... :-)

Does not the Signed-off-by: line on a patch submission give us some
level of "good faith" protection?

I'm tempted to take contributors at their word, that they have produced
their own work and not copied from others.  What else do we need?

John
-- 
John W. Linville
linville@tuxdriver.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-05 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-04 20:50 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2006-06-04 21:20 ` 2.6.18 hdrinstall (Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2006-06-04 21:33 ` header cleanup and install David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:43   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 10:52   ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:54     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 10:59       ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:57         ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 11:03           ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 18:09             ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 19:19               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-17 20:35                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-06-17 21:20                   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:36 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Alan Cox
2006-06-04 21:41 ` kbuild, kconfig and hrdinstall stuff Sam Ravnborg
2006-06-04 21:54   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 23:04 ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-05 18:09   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 15:20   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-06 20:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-07  3:37       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  4:00       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  4:10         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  4:25           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  4:26             ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  6:22               ` klibc Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  6:38                 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  6:51             ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Joshua Hudson
2006-06-07 21:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09  8:03                 ` klibc Nix
2006-06-09 18:45                   ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                   ` <bda6d13a0606091050n40fda044v668eef09af3c29a7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <871wty6rl9.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix>
2006-06-09 22:28                       ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 22:48                         ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09 23:13                           ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 23:44                             ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-16  6:02                               ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-16 19:19                                 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  8:44       ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  9:44         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-04 23:50 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-05 20:20   ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 20:53     ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 21:07     ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 19:42       ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-07  0:41         ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-08  8:05           ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-15 11:40             ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16  3:21               ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16  3:35                 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16 15:33                 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16 18:48                   ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-17 19:45                     ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-17 17:04                 ` clocksource Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  0:02 ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-05  1:06   ` utsname/hostname Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  3:10     ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
     [not found] ` <20060605002807.GA4919@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05  0:28   ` readahead benchmark Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05  1:02     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  0:32 ` new SCSI drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
     [not found] ` <20060605010501.GA4931@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05  1:05   ` statistics infrastructure Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05 16:30   ` Greg KH
2006-06-13 23:47     ` statistics infrastructure (in -mm tree) review Greg KH
2006-06-14  0:18       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14 16:45         ` Greg KH
2006-06-14 22:48         ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-19 22:12           ` Greg KH
2006-06-20 15:40             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-20 16:50               ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-21 18:51                 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-21 19:38                   ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-22 11:43                     ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-14  5:04       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-14 22:49         ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-16 20:40           ` Greg KH
2006-06-16 21:34             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17  6:51           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-17 11:03             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17 10:30       ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-05  1:06 ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05  1:15   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  8:33     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05  8:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:26         ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:35           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:59             ` Alan Cox
2006-06-10  6:58             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05  8:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 12:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 12:48       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 12:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 14:02           ` Linux kernel and laws Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05 14:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-06-06  5:33             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-05 13:27     ` John W. Linville [this message]
2006-06-05 13:31       ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 13:42       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 16:24       ` Alan Cox
2006-06-29 14:26         ` ACX100 (softmac-based) driver ready to merge, but is it legal? -- " John W. Linville
     [not found]           ` <20060629144233.GB24463@tuxdriver.com>
2006-06-29 14:47             ` [Acx100-users] Denis Vlasenko, where are you? (mail bounced) Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05  1:32 ` merging new drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05  1:47   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  8:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05  9:10       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  9:16         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 11:10       ` Ivan Novick
2006-06-05 11:26         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05  6:58   ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-05 10:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:36       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06  2:02         ` Chris Wright
2006-06-06  7:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-06 13:04             ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-05 13:38 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans -- GFS David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 14:10   ` Russell King
2006-06-05 15:01   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-07  7:12     ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-05 14:08 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Oleg Nesterov
2006-06-05 14:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-08 19:56   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-09 13:02     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-09 23:25     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10  0:39       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  1:23         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10  7:52           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  8:09           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  9:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-06  0:54 ` Merge of per task delay accounting (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:28   ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 22:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 14:27       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 17:42         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 18:36           ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 19:33             ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:52     ` Jay Lan
2006-06-06 22:55       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-12 12:02       ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-12 13:28         ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 12:32 ` 2.6.18 -mm pi-futex merge Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 13:34   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 13:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 14:42 ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:56   ` genirq Daniel Walker
2006-06-07  8:42     ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07  3:46   ` genirq Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-06 14:53 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:02   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-06 16:35     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06 20:47     ` lock validator [2.6.18 -mm merge plans] Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07  3:52 ` mutex vs. local irqs (Was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  4:29   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07  5:04     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  5:29       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07  6:44         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  7:03           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07 13:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08  0:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 10:49               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 10:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08 11:01                   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 11:17               ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 13:38                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 14:02                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 23:40                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 22:59             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-10 10:22 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-14 15:18   ` Michael Halcrow

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