From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932862AbWFMETE (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:19:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932492AbWFMETE (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:19:04 -0400 Received: from 1wt.eu ([62.212.114.60]:28936 "EHLO 1wt.eu") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932862AbWFMETD (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:19:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:18:25 +0200 From: Willy Tarreau To: David Miller Cc: kernel@linuxace.com, jesper.juhl@gmail.com, nick@linicks.net, vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl, bernd@firmix.at, mf.danger@gmail.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, matti.aarnio@zmailer.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) Message-ID: <20060613041825.GC13255@w.ods.org> References: <7c3341450606121410y7f2349e1y7d8ecf3f3873732@mail.gmail.com> <9a8748490606121506w43c8a45yf44d0c4120ae80c@mail.gmail.com> <20060613001101.GA24852@linuxace.com> <20060612.172623.35354043.davem@davemloft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060612.172623.35354043.davem@davemloft.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 05:26:23PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > From: Phil Oester > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:11:01 -0700 > > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 12:06:52AM +0200, Jesper Juhl wrote: > > > Making subscription to LKML a requirement would be a major barier for > > > people who just want to shoot off a bug report or similar but who do > > > not want to be subscribed (nor can be botherd to go through the > > > motions to subscribe, or perhaps can't work out how to subscribe)... > > > We want users to be able to submit bugreports to the list easily. > > > > The rejection sent to non-subscribers could point them to a website > > where they could submit a message via a webform (after correctly > > entering the contents of a CAPTCHA). > > No way, too much work. If plain email doesn't work, people will > throw up their hands and say "why bother?" We don't want to do > one iota of something which will even possibly deter a bug report > because we need as much information about bugs as possible. I agree with you David. I had to report a bug to the NTP mailing list. I got it back right in my face because I had not subscribed. Then I went to thei bugzilla interface... What a counter-intuitive tool ! I was about to give up at least 3 times. It took me at least 15 minutes to find how I could report my bug and provide the patch in a usable form. I'm really sure that a lot of bug reports get lost because of this ! I'd rather get a few spams on LKML than lose bug reports because of discouraged users ! Cheers, Willy