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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>
Cc: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	discuss@x86-64.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, vojtech@suse.cz,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: FOR REVIEW: New x86-64 vsyscall vgetcpu()
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:37:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200606161737.06132.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4492CEC0.2080102@bull.net>

On Friday 16 June 2006 17:31, Zoltan Menyhart wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
> > That is not how user space TLS works. It usually has a base a register.
> 
> Can you please give me a real life (simplified) example?

On x86-64 it's just %fs:offset. gcc is a bit dumb on this and usually
loads the base address from %fs:0 first.

> 
> > This means it cannot be cache colored (because you would need a static
> > offset) and you couldn't share task_structs on a page.
> 
> I do not see the problem.

Your scheme relies on task_struct fields being on a known offset
in the page. But slab cache coloring varies the offset to make the data
spread out better in the caches.

> Can you explain please? 
> E.g. the scheduler pulls a task instead of the current one. The CPU
> will see "current->thread_info.cpu"-s of all the tasks at the same
> offset anyway.

It varies relative to the start of page.

That was one of the bigger wins relative to the task_struct in stack
page of 2.4 had.

> 
> > Also you would make task_struct part of the userland ABI which
> > seems like a very very bad idea to me. It means we couldn't change
> > it anymore.
> 
> We can make some wrapper, e.g.:
> 
> 	user_per_cpu_var(name, offset)

You would need to wrap everything and likely users would like
task_struct so much that they accessed it anyways without your wrappers.
 
> "vgetcpu()" would also be added to the ABI which we couldn't change
> easily either.

Yes, but it's a defined function. No different from a system call.

-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-16 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-14  7:42 FOR REVIEW: New x86-64 vsyscall vgetcpu() Andi Kleen
2006-06-14 10:47 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-14 14:54 ` Steve Munroe
2006-06-15 23:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found] ` <449029DB.7030505@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <200606141752.02361.ak@suse.de>
2006-06-14 16:30     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-06-14 17:34       ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2006-06-15 18:44 ` Tony Luck
2006-06-16  6:22   ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16  7:23     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-16  7:37       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16  9:48     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 10:09       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 11:02         ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 11:17           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 11:58             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 12:36               ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-16 12:41                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 12:48                   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-16 21:04                     ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 14:56                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 15:31                   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-16 15:37                     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2006-06-16 15:58                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-06-16 16:24                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 16:33                           ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-06-16 21:12                     ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 15:36                   ` Brent Casavant
2006-06-16 15:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 21:15                       ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 21:19                       ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 23:40                         ` Brent Casavant
2006-06-17  6:58                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-17  6:55                         ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2006-06-19  8:42                           ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-19  8:54                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 14:54               ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-20  8:28                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-19  0:15 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-19  8:21   ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-19 10:09     ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-21  1:18     ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-21  1:21       ` Paul Jackson

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