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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: ccb@acm.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] increase spinlock-debug looping timeouts from 1 sec to 1 min
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:21:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060619082150.GA13905@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060619081252.GA13176@elte.hu>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> no. Write-locks are unfair too, and there's no guarantee that writes 
> are listened to. That's why nested read_lock() is valid, while nested 
> down_read() is invalid.
> 
> Take a look at arch/i386/kernel/semaphore.c, __write_lock_failed() 
> just adds back the RW_LOCK_BIAS and retries in a loop. There's no 
> difference to an open-coded write_trylock loop - unless i'm missing 
> something fundamental.

did i ever mention that i find rwlocks evil, inefficient and bug-prone, 
and that we should get rid of them? :-)

(Most rwlock users can be converted to straight spinlocks just fine, but 
there are a couple of places that rely on read-lock nesting. The 
hardest-to-fix offenders are nested rcu_read_locks() in the netfilter 
code. I gave up converting them to saner locking, PREEMPT_RCU works it 
around in the -rt tree, by not being rwlock based.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-19  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-12 19:53 BUG: write-lock lockup Charles C. Bennett, Jr.
2006-06-17 17:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-19  7:02   ` [patch] increase spinlock-debug looping timeouts from 1 sec to 1 min Ingo Molnar
2006-06-19  7:59     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-19  8:12       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-19  8:21         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-06-19  8:32         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-19  8:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-19  9:13             ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-19 11:39               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-19 19:55                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-20  8:06                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-20  8:40                   ` [patch] fix spinlock-debug looping Ingo Molnar
2006-06-20  8:52                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-20  9:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-20  9:32                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-20  9:34                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-20 16:02                           ` Dave Olson

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