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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, swhiteho@redhat.com, torvalds@osdl.org,
	teigland@redhat.com, pcaulfie@redhat.com, kanderso@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GFS2 and DLM
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:04:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060627090408.GA2382@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060627015005.21c20186.akpm@osdl.org>


* Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:

> > it is relevant to a certain degree, because it creates a (IMO) false 
> > impression of merging showstoppers. After months of being in -mm, 
> > and after addressing all issues that were raised (and there was a 
> > fair amount of review activity December last year iirc), one week 
> > prior the close of the merge window a 'huge' list of issues are 
> > raised. (after belovingly calling the GFS2 code a "huge mess", to 
> > create a positive and productive tone for the review discussion i 
> > guess.)
> 
> It's a general problem - our reviewing resources do not have the 
> capacity to cover our coding resources.  This is especially the case 
> on filesystems.  We'd have merged (a very different) reiser4 a year 
> ago if things were in balance.

and just this very minute what gets merged upstream? A chunk of OCFS2 
code that has this comment in it:

 * NOTE: the allocation error cases here are scary
 * we really cannot afford to fail an alloc in recovery
 * do we spin?  returning an error only delays the problem really

plus this code:

                        /* sleep for a bit in hopes that we can avoid
                         * another ENOMEM */
                        msleep(100);
                        goto retry;

and this:

                        /* TODO Look into replacing msleep with cond_resched() */
                        msleep(100);
                        goto retry;

and this:

                /* yield a bit to allow any final network messages
                 * to get handled on remaining nodes */
                msleep(100);

and this:

                if (status < 0) {
                        mlog(ML_ERROR, "%s: failed to alloc recovery area, "
                             "retrying\n", dlm->name);
                        msleep(1000);
                }

and this:

                                } else {
                                        /* -ENOMEM on the other node */
                                        mlog(0, "%s: node %u returned "
                                             "%d during recovery, retrying "
                                             "after a short wait\n",
                                             dlm->name, ndata->node_num,
                                             status);
                                        msleep(100);
                                }

and that's just from a 60 seconds scan.

and we are not merging GFS2 that does an honest __GFP_NOFAIL for a hard 
to solve problem? (Btw., __GFP_NOFAIL is actually more robust due to the 
congestion sleep it does, it is more reviewable and more fixable thing 
than an open-coded msleep() or cond_resched().)

"Hypocrisy", "double standard", "pot calling the kettle black" is pretty 
much the nicest words that come to mind :-(

[and again, i'm not blaming XFS or OCFS2 here.]

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-27  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-20 12:17 GFS2 and DLM Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 12:32 ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 12:47   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 14:04     ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 15:40       ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 19:55         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-21 11:20       ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 14:45       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-26 21:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  7:52           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-20 12:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-20 12:55   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-20 15:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-23 14:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 20:46   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-26 20:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-26 20:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-27  7:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  6:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  6:43       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-27  7:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  7:06       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-27  8:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  8:50           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-27  9:04             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-06-27  9:23               ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-03 13:40           ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-27  8:16       ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-27  8:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  8:41           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-06-27 10:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  8:42           ` Nathan Scott
2006-06-27  8:51             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-23 14:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 15:54   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 15:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 16:09       ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 14:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 14:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 15:26   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 15:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-23 16:29   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-23 16:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-26 20:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-27  7:50         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-27  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar

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